-Caveat Lector-

I'll play along for this one.  Gavin.


<< Oct. 25, 1999
 No evidence to support existence of aliens
 By Donald L. Gilleland
 A FLORIDA TODAY guest column
 Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs) have intrigued us since the beginning of
 time. Now and then, however, they take on greater significance as something
 spectacular thrusts them into the public consciousness again.

 The recent FLORIDA TODAY forum in which a panel of authoritative spokesmen
 examined the possibility of life elsewhere in the universe was such an event.
 And we were fortunate to have such an illustrious group visit Melbourne.
 However, before them, the popular television show and movie, "X-Files," and
 the 1997 publication of The Day After Roswell, by Col. Philip J. Corso
 (Ret.), also spurred public speculation about the possibility of aliens
 visiting Earth.

Gavin
And over 2000 documented pilot sightings by Richard Haines. Hundreds of hours
of  quality video taped, very unusual silent aircraft flitting around.





 Most UFO accounts rely on our willingness to believe that the US government
 has captured space ships and alien visitors and is keeping the details of
 those activities under Top Secret wraps. And that aliens kidnap Earthlings
 for short periods to experiment on them, safely returning them to Earth once
 their alien curiosity is satisfied. It never seems to matter much that there
 is little credible evidence to support these themes.


Gavin
Even discounting 90% of the sightings as misinterpretation, hoaxes, wishful
thinking, there are still tens of thousands of unimpeachable eyewitness
testimony.
Yes, the US government covers up many very large incidents, in this case
there is plenty of evidence to support ET visitation to earth if you can be
bothered to read a few good books on the subject, or search the Internet. The
government just allows tabloid junk to obfuscate the mountain of real
evidence. Don't hold your breath waiting for the prostitutes in mainstream
science to do their job and investigate UFOs; there is no money, no prizes,
no prestige, but plenty of ridicule for straying from the chosen path of ms.


At least the FLORIDA
 TODAY panel treated the subject with the seriousness it deserves.


 When most people ask if you believe in UFOs they really mean do you believe
 in extraterrestrial space travel and do you believe aliens have visited
 Earth? These are two very different questions. When we first sent men to the
 moon in 1969, we demonstrated the feasibility of space travel, so we have
 irrefutable evidence that such travel is possible. However, we have no
 corresponding evidence that any aliens have been here.

 Think about it. Everywhere we go we leave a mountain of debris: A flag
 planted on the moon, a lunar land rover still sitting there, tons of
 equipment left behind, exploratory probes on Mars and other planets,
 satellites crashed on the surface of other heavenly bodies. It would be
 impossible for us to deny we had been to space.


Great point, no Big Mac wrappers from the Plaeides equals no ET visitation to
earth! The argument that "they are not like us" so they didn't come here is
not only anthropocentric but is a fatally flawed syllogism. They are "alien",
they are probably hundreds or thousands of years more advanced. Start
thinking Ronald [Mc]Donald.
(sorry, couldn't help it)




 On the other hand, with more than 12,000 UFO sightings in the last 100 years,
 we have no real credible evidence of any alien visitors to Earth. How
 curious! If they've been here, where is their debris? Is it possible they
 left nothing behind on any of their trips? Even if that was plausible, you
 would think that in 12,000 sightings it would be at least a statistical
 probability that someone with a still or video camera would capture a really
 good photograph or film of these visitors, instead of the blurred pictures
 that are occasionally published and are so easily faked.



Gavin
The person who wrote this article must have been living in the Australian
outback for the last ten years at least. He uses the same old tired useless
arguments about debris, then asks why we don't have clear video footage. We
do. I have several video tapes from programs in the last 5 years clearly
showing very unusual, cigar or oval objects moving around in daylight. My
uncle in England has recently taped a program which clearly shows cigar
shaped aircraft silently hovering a couple hundred feet above a church, in
daylight. There are hundreds of hours of silent craft caught on tape from
Mexico in the last few years. This "reporter" obviously hasn't bothered doing
any investigating, he's just used old arguments and has no idea of the
massive increase in UFO video footage in the last ten years. Where does he
get the figure of 12,000 sightings? There have been hundreds of thousands,
probably millions of sightings worldwide this century, many of them
unreported, told only to family and friends.

His pet theory about us not finding Alien debris strewn around. If we did
find some, that doesn't prove that it came from aliens. Finding unexplainable
artifacts has been happening for generations, the Smithsonian is full of
them, but it does not prove it was of Alien origin, so what is his point?
There is no such thing as absolute proof, anything can, and has been,
discounted by scientists who constantly raise the level of evidence needed to
prove ET visitation.




 Perhaps alien artifacts have altered the course of 20th Century history,
 perhaps extraterrestrial visitors are studying our civilization from an
 intergalactic vantage point that obscures our ability to detect them in any
 detail, or perhaps entrepreneurs have just tapped into our curiosity and
 fertile imaginations with very profitable entertainment ventures.

Gavin
Yes, people will jump on the UFO bandwagon to make a buck. You must learn to
differentiate between the hoaxers, the well meaning but naive UFO groupies,
the genuine mistakes and the mainstream scientific community's total reliance
on government grants and University paychecks. You also need to learn how to
make a credible argument. It would also be a good idea if you had some
knowledge of the amount of evidence collected regarding ET visitation before
criticizing what you know nothing about.


 One thing is for sure: UFOs are real, until they are identified. Then they
 become something else. Even though there are UFOs that remain unidentified,
 that does not necessarily mean we have been visited by alien creatures from
 outer space.

Gavin
Patronizing. I think we know that one guvnor.


 I believe in space travel and expect one day we will send an expeditionary
 space shuttle to some distant planet. And, like the late Carl Sagan, until I
 see some credible hard evidence to the contrary, I am not yet ready to
 believe that aliens are visiting Earth - despite whatever agents Scully and
 Mulder from "The X-Files" say!

Gavin
The late Carl Sagan, his last ten fifteen years at least, was a money
grubbing intellectual fraud. He never investigated any of the best documented
UFO encounters, and steadfastly refused to debate Stan Friedman or anybody
vis a vis ET evidence. Because he knew there was a very good chance he would
lose, no glory there.



 But I sure appreciate that reputable scientists, like those at the SETI
 Institute of Mountain View, Calif., think the question is important enough to
 continue searching for life somewhere else in the universe. One day we may
 truly have alien visitors here, if we don't visit them on their planet first.



Gavin
Yes, SETI, and reputable scientists, whatever that means. Are you a reputable
scientist if you work outside ms for ten years but then prove your theory and
are accepted back in? Reputable scientists rarely make important discoveries.
You need imagination, passion and the courage to think outside of the
prevailing paradigm. While SETI scientists sit and listen to radio waves for
years on end, a UFO is hovering over Mrs. Smiths house, but that is ignored.
Better to play it safe, and boring, and listen and watch radio waves year in
and year out, and piss their lives away, on nothing, and learning nothing. No
wonder they vociferously criticize the few scientists who do thoroughly
investigate UFO sightings, because it invalidates what they are spending
their lives trying to do, and failing miserably at. Gavin.



 Gilleland lives in Melbourne.

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==========
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance�not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
========================================================================
Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
========================================================================
To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

Reply via email to