-Caveat Lector-
Hmm. There's only one Isaiah. This passage is located in Isaiah 53:3.
Reading the entire chapter (only 12 verses) leaves one with little doubt
that it is Jesus being spoken of here. Like that 'All we like sheep have
gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid
on him the iniquity of us all' (53:6), and 'He was wounded for our
transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: . . .' (53:5). With all
respect to modern scholars, I don't see how Israel bore my sins, spent time
in prison, or was punished by God for my failures.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tatman, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 3:34 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [CTRL] Politically Correct Jesus
>
>
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> It *is* in Second Isaiah, but I can't remember the exact
> verse. The verse
> forms one of the most striking passages in Handel's
> *Messiah*: "He was a man
> of sorrows and acquainted with grief." It's part of the
> "suffering servant"
> theme, which many modern scholars believe refers not to a
> specific person
> but rather to Eretz Israel, the ever-suffering Land of Israel itself.
> Evangelical theologians, of course, generally consider the "suffering
> servant" passages to apply to Jesus Christ.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Das GOAT [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 5:26 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [CTRL] Politically Correct Jesus
> >
> > -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > In a message dated 99-12-14 13:52:52 EST,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >
> > >Actually, there is a sort of underground tradition, mostly
> in the later
> > New
> > >Testament apocrypha, that Jesus was in fact an ugly man ...
> >
> > That tradition seems to have originated with one of the
> seldom-quoted Old
> > Testament "prophecies" regarding the coming of the Messiah, therein
> > called, I
> > believe, the "man of sorrows." When correctly translated from the
> > original
> > Hebrew, it describes him as a man totally lacking in physical
> > attractveness,
> > even ugly, AND as socially rejected for his appearance,
> like a thorn among
> > roses or whatever. (It's been treated as "just a metaphor"
> by Christians
> > who
> > know of it, but the description in context is a literal
> one, and, apart
> > from
> > the desire to make the Savior one of the "beautiful
> people," there's no
> > other
> > reason to doubt it being a simple statement of fact. To
> sidestep the
> > implications of that conclusion, in fact, some Biblicists
> even resort to a
> > Talmudic sleight of hand, claiming that "prophecy" refers
> not to the One
> > Yet
> > to Come but to MOSES long ago.
> > My OWN understanding, for what it's worth, is that it
> refers to NEITHER
> > and
> > is not a "prophecy" at all but describes an historic
> person, a "failed"
> > Messiah ca. 400 BC.)
> >
> > If no one else comes forward first with the passage in
> question, which I
> > seem
> > to recall is found in Second Isaiah, I'll look it up when I
> have more time
> > and post it here myself.
> >
> >
>
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