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"Tatman, Robert" wrote:
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> -Caveat Lector-
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> You're assuming that both "Israel" and "Phoenicia" were nations as we know
> that concept today. They weren't. They were a collection of cities (i.e.
> trading stations) loosely held together by cultural ties and fealty to a
> "high king."
This is certainly true of the Phoenicians, but I'm not so sure about other
people who were tribal and had tribal territories.
> As we've discussed in other threads, there is considerable
> evidence of close cultural contact between Syria-Canaan-Israel and Mycenaean
> Greeks, both in Greece and in Anatolia. The "Philistines" (who gave their
> name, via a convoluted route, to "Filistina" [Palestine]) seem to have been
> a particularly heterogeneous group, some of whom were usually fighting with
> various Israelites at any given time...while at the same time other
> Philistines were *allied* with various Israelites. The same was true of
> Phoenicia, as well as Ammon, Midian, and the other "nations" of the Fertile
> Crescent. It wasn't the non-existent "king of Phoenicia" who was allied with
> Solomon of Israel, for example, but rather Hiram of Tyre
This is true.
...and it is not at
> all beyond the realm of possibility that there were Israelites on ships
> sailing out of Tyre and other Phoenician cities.
This is probably true also. But only because the Phoenicians traded along
the coasts. Many nations, including Egypt, sailed along the coasts. In coastal
trading, it is possible that Israelites, and maybe even others sailed with
them. But that did not apply to trans oceanic sailing. The Phoenicians had a
monopoly on that and didn't share their secrets with anyone.
Joshua2
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: YnrChyldzWyld [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Sunday, December 19, 1999 8:25 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [CTRL] Phoenicians in ancient New Zealand ? (fwd)
> >
> > -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > On Sat, 18 Dec 1999, Nurev Ind Research wrote:
> > >
> <snip>
> > >cities on the Eastern Mediterranean evolved into Philistia. The
> > Philistines
> > >were the enemies of the Jews then and down to this day. Both tribes were
> > >warring over the same territory. Down to this very day.
> >
> > Not according to the archeological evidence presented in the article --
> > before they became Philistines, apparantly Israel and Phoenicia were
> > quite cordial with each other...Phoenicia in the beginning apparantly
> > acted as an outpost of its neighbor to the south...
> >
> >
> >
> > June ;-)
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