<tt>From:</tt> <tt> "Mike Ruppert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]></tt> <br><br> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content="text/html; charset=windows-1252" http-equiv=Content-Type> <META content="MSHTML 5.00.2919.6307" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial><SPAN class=710303107-16012000>I was the very first person Dee Ferdinand called after she spoke to Ted Shackley the day of the bombing. She was calling him about a matter related to her father's murder that had nothing to do with the bombing. I spoke with her just minutes after she spoke to Shackley. What she told me was that he said that the bombing would be placed at the feet of domestic terrorists. That's it. The rest of Shackley's supposed statement to Dee is pure bullshit and embellishment by Hoffman. Now, I know more about what Shackley said to Dee that day that had nothing to do with the bombing but I gave my word not to disclose it and - guess what - I am not going to disclose it.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial><SPAN class=710303107-16012000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial><SPAN class=710303107-16012000>Hoffman also swore to Dee that their conversation was strictly off the record and he would not use any of it. He lied through his teeth. So he broke his promise and then lied about what he wrote. He then fictitiously and falsely placed himself in Shackley's den and described Shackley's smoking habits and, I believe, made him chortle or chuckle. Now tell me, is this someone you want guarding your precious truth?</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial><SPAN class=710303107-16012000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial><SPAN class=710303107-16012000>Get my point. If Revel sued him and it held water, there's a chance that there was some merit to it. Same with Wheaton.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial><SPAN class=710303107-16012000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial><SPAN class=710303107-16012000>Ask Catherine Fitts sometime about the horrible pains she went to over the last four years to make sure that her life and conduct were squeaky clean. She had a hundred million at stake. A hundred million. The reason she acted as though she lived in a glass house was because she did. And people trusted her. She knew that one little sustained challenge to her honesty based upon her conduct could hurt many lives.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial><SPAN class=710303107-16012000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial><SPAN class=710303107-16012000>This is not about win-win. This is about people who presume to lead, teach, report or manage having to be scrupulous, thorough, honest. People need to be accountable and, as far as I am concerned. David Hoffman is enjoying the just consequences of his own actions. Based upon this conduct that I know about I can only guess at what other liberties he took in writing his book.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial><SPAN class=710303107-16012000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial><SPAN class=710303107-16012000>I have spoken my piece about Wheaton previously. They deserve each other.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial><SPAN class=710303107-16012000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial><SPAN class=710303107-16012000>Brian, if you are in contact with David Hoffman, please forward this message to him with my compliments.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial><SPAN class=710303107-16012000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial><SPAN class=710303107-16012000>Mike Ruppert</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial><SPAN class=710303107-16012000><A href="http://www.copvcia.com">www.copvcia.com</A> </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial><SPAN class=710303107-16012000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Brian Downing Quig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 15, 2000 8:00 PM<BR><B>To:</B> [EMAIL PROTECTED]<BR><B>Subject:</B> [CIA-DRUGS] DEEP POLITICS OF OKBOMB<BR><BR></DIV></FONT><TT>From:</TT> <TT>Brian Downing Quig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]></TT> <BR><BR>It is the statement published in Hoffman's book about Ted Shackley's nonchalant remark to Dee Ferdinand on learning from her of the bombing "I think that what you are going to find here is <B>foreign terrorists in league with domestic terrorists.</B> How would he know of the new brown truck parked four spaces ahead of the RYDER truck with two mideastern types running to it in blue jogging suits? How could he know of the men unless he knew the news director Jerry Bohnon whose reporters broadcast the interviews of the witnesses whose accounts resulted in the 2 21/2 hour APB on these men? <P>Everything people say of Hoffman may be true and this statement can also be valid. This is something I have observed from a distance but something that has embroiled Mike Ruppert close up and for years. So I let him explain this significant report Hoffman makes on page 111 of THE OKLAHOMA BOMBING AND THE POLITICS OF TERROR. As you can see I have had it reported slightly different. <P>After hearing so many complaints about Hoffman I began to assume that most of them are true so I greeted his book with a great negative bias. But I must say that what it lacks in conclusions it more than makes up for in details. And yes he got sucked into the MONTANA DRUG SCANDAL but he avoided so many of the other legends and presented the preceding crimes of Shackley, North and Bush so bravely that I have to say this book is must reading. <P>Now Mike, what is your take on this Shackley statement? <P>Brian Quig <BR> <BR> <P>Dan Russell wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE="CITE">From: "Dan Russell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <P>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: "Mike Ruppert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <BR>To: "Dan Russell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <BR>Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2000 5:58 PM <BR>Subject: FW: [CIA-DRUGS] DEEP POLITICS OF OKBOMB <P>> Dan: <BR>> <BR>> Do me a favor please. Everyone's off-line today and because of my e-mail <BR>> problems I'm barred from the list because it is not recognizing my new <BR>> server. Would you please post the following for me to cia-drugs. It is <BR>very <BR>> important to me. <BR>> <BR>> Big things doing. You'll hear from me this week. <BR>> <BR>> Best, <BR>> <BR>> Mike <BR>> www.copvcia.com <BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message----- <BR>> From: Mike Ruppert [<A href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]</A>] <BR>> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2000 2:50 PM <BR>> To: CIA Drugs list <BR>> Subject: FW: [CIA-DRUGS] DEEP POLITICS OF OKBOMB <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message----- <BR>> From: Mike Ruppert [<A href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]</A>] <BR>> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2000 11:42 AM <BR>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <BR>> Subject: RE: [CIA-DRUGS] DEEP POLITICS OF OKBOMB <BR>> <BR>> Brian: <BR>> <BR>> I suggest that you slow down a little bit here. David Hoffman is a <BR>dishonest <BR>> and disreputable author who burned my close sources, broke my trust, <BR>> violated an "off the record" promise and wrote demonstrably untrue <BR>> falsehoods about Ted Shackley for no purpose other than <BR>self-aggrandizement. <BR>> He wrote that Shackley, after talking with Dee Ferdinand, played with his <BR>> pipe and sat back down in his living room or den and adjusted the controls <BR>> on his TV so that he could here more information about the bombing. <BR>> <BR>> That implies that Hoffman was in Shackley's house which he never was and <BR>> that kind of embellishment plus his absolute violation of Dee Ferdinand's <BR>> trust and his promises not to abuse sources that I gave him (which he <BR>did), <BR>> and his distortions of what they told him puts him totally beyond the <BR>pale. <BR>> <BR>> One either serves the truth or one serves the self and the self's notions <BR>of <BR>> what need to happen and how and when and by what means. <BR>> <BR>> Now, I will leave aside for a moment the lunacy that we can't speak badly, <BR>> even of the bad guys. To give David Hoffman and Gene Wheaton credibility <BR>is <BR>> to betray your fellows on this list. Our cause is set back when writers, <BR>> authors and investigators who are supposed to be honorable men and women <BR>> behave dishonorably. Why? Because by their own lack of principles and <BR>> worship of self promotion instead of the truth they have placed themselves <BR>> in a position where a truly evil man like Buck Revel can sue them and <BR>damage <BR>> our entire movement. That is a lesson from Whistle Blowing 101. By their <BR>> actions they have damaged us and our pursuit of the truth. David Hoffman <BR>did <BR>> just "bend" a few rules here. <BR>> <BR>> I am a man who has written copiously and unfavorably about Ted Shackley <BR>and <BR>> it looks like I am going to get to interview him directly for my <BR>continuing <BR>> Ed Wilson story in the next issue of FTW which mails on the 28th. Shackley <BR>> knows that he is perhaps my oldest enemy, aside from GHWB, but he respects <BR>> the fact that I won't lie, distort or embellish in a story. <BR>> <BR>> People need to understand that when people like David Hoffman and Gene <BR>> Wheaton become grandiose, embellish and bend the rules and people like <BR>Buck <BR>> Revel catch them at and beat them up, it is the fault of David Hoffman and <BR>> Gene Wheaton. We as a group will suffer as a result of their actions <BR>because <BR>> to the people we are trying to influence we are all the same. We cannot <BR>> blame the Illuminati, the CIA and Oliver North for David Hoffman's and <BR>Gene <BR>> Wheaton's faults. <BR>> <BR>> That is the worst kind of dishonesty. <BR>> <BR>> The sad thing - or the ultimate virtue - for the good guys is that we must <BR>> scrupulously behave like good guys - all the time. The bad guys can break <BR>> the rules because that is what they do. Spiritually, and from my own <BR>direct <BR>> personal experience for 21 years, the reason why I beat back two suits <BR>last <BR>> year (before they got filed) and why I am still alive is that I have never <BR>> broken a promise to stay off-record, I have never lied about what happened <BR>> in an encounter with one of the bad guys when I could have, and I don't <BR>take <BR>> cheap shots for self-promotion. <BR>> <BR>> David Hoffman and Gene Wheaton are not heroes. <BR>> <BR>> Mike Ruppert <BR>> www.copvcia.com <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message----- <BR>> From: Brian Downing Quig [<A href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]</A>] <BR>> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2000 7:55 AM <BR>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <BR>> Subject: [CIA-DRUGS] DEEP POLITICS OF OKBOMB <BR>> <BR>> From: Brian Downing Quig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <BR>> <BR>> I was surprised to learn after 4 1/2 years that there was a major player <BR>who <BR>> showed up at the kitchen table of Glen Wilburn during the early days after <BR>> the <BR>> bombing who I was unaware. This is the attorney Mike Johnston who had <BR>just <BR>> finished suing Ishan Barbouti when the bomb went off. Mike Johnston is <BR>now <BR>> representing David Hoffman and Gene Wheaton in the million dollar libel <BR>suit <BR>> brought by Buch Revelle. <BR>> <BR>> As the days progressed toward the initial attack of DESERT STORM Mike <BR>> Johnston <BR>> flew to London to purchase the blue prints of the underground bunkers <BR>> Barbouti <BR>> built to house Sadam's MIGS which he tuned over to the CIA allowing the <BR>MIGS <BR>> to <BR>> be surgically removed. (Pages 182-184 of Hoffman's book THE OKLAHOMA CITY <BR>> BOMBING AND THE POLITICS OF TERROR). <BR>> <BR>> Hoffman remains the only author who has had the guts to publish the names <BR>> Ted <BR>> Shackley and Richard Secord in connection to the OKBOMB. <BR>> <BR>> I want to know if RABTA is real or propaganda. Any insights? <BR>> <BR>> Brian Quig <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> JP Viken wrote: <BR>> <BR>> > From: "JP Viken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <BR>> > <BR>> > Brian, Louie Champon is a friend of mine. The c*a used ishan barbouti <BR>to <BR>> > try and set him up as the person responsible for pan am 103 and for <BR>> selling <BR>> > cyanide to the iraqis. Actually, here's what happened and I have this <BR>> > straight from Louie and I believe him: He needed investors to expand <BR>his <BR>> > natural cherry flavoring business. Barbouti appeared and offerred a <BR>much <BR>> > needed investment, but required that wackemout be used for security and <BR>> that <BR>> > the processing plant have a high tech security system. Before Louie went <BR>> > into business with barbouti, he inquired with the state dept if barbouti <BR>> was <BR>> > clean and okay to do business with and they said he was and it was okay. <BR>> > Louie's process yielded a cyanide precursor which was kept in tanks to <BR>be <BR>> > neutralized to an unusable, harmless state for proper disposal. The *ia <BR>> > then acquired the building accross the street and tunneled under the <BR>> street <BR>> > and constructed a suction tube to transport the cyanide precursor to <BR>> storage <BR>> > tanks for removal and sale & delivery to iraq. This could easily be <BR>done <BR>> > since wackemout staff were responsible for handling the cyanide <BR>precursor. <BR>> > When Louie found out was was happening he immediately went to the <BR>> > authorities and reported everything and cooperated fully, but they tried <BR>> to <BR>> > further set him up to be the scapegoat. If jimmy rothstein had not <BR>> > intervened with the help of several high powered contacts of his, Louie <BR>> > would be rotting in a federal jail for life for something he never did. <BR>> I <BR>> > know a lot more (and some is extremely sensitive to ceratian bureaucrats <BR>> > still in high positions) but I'm only going to reveal more if these <BR>folks <BR>> > keep harassing me. It's time for a truce. Let me just say this>>>there <BR>> are <BR>> > some very sensitive phone log prinouts that could go into circulation <BR>from <BR>> a <BR>> > number of sources all at once. This kind of stuff is needless. <BR>> > <BR>> > In addition, I did hear talk of the suitcase being Louie's and this may <BR>be <BR>> > true. If so barbouti had to have borrowed it from him in an attempt to <BR>> set <BR>> > Louie up. Louie has other problems, but he's no terrorist. He's <BR>actually <BR>> a <BR>> > peacenick, completely non-violent and very concerned with making money <BR>in <BR>> > the natural food products business only. Next time I talk to him I'll <BR>ask <BR>> > him about the suitcase. <BR>> > <BR>> > ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> > From: "Brian Downing Quig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <BR>> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <BR>> > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2000 11:11 AM <BR>> > Subject: Re: [CIA-DRUGS] RABTA AND BARBOUTI <BR>> > <BR>> > > From: Brian Downing Quig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <BR>> > > <BR>> > > The prosecution's star witness in the German disco bombing turned <BR>around <BR>> > in <BR>> > > court to say that he was working for the CIA and his prveious story <BR>was <BR>> > just <BR>> > > their lie. <BR>> > > <BR>> > > You have PAN AM 103 right in my opinion. Those searching the early <BR>> > wreckage <BR>> > > had a discription of McKee's civilian cloths. McKee only boraded the <BR>> > plane at <BR>> > > the last minute so that meant he was under survaillance when he <BR>boarded. <BR>> > > <BR>> > > I have been told by many that the suit case that carried the bomb was <BR>> > > purchased by Louis Champon who gave it to Barbouti. Do you know <BR>> anything <BR>> > of <BR>> > > that? <BR>> > > <BR>> > > Brian <BR>> > > <BR>> > > nexusmagazine wrote: <BR>> > > <BR>> > > > From: nexusmagazine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <BR>> > > > <BR>> > > > >Duncan, <BR>> > > > > <BR>> > > > >Here is another source that references Rabta and the Germans <BR>> > > > >as if it is an unquestioned fact. What do you think is <BR>> > > > >behind this? I would like to find someone who is on top of <BR>> > > > >this. <BR>> > > > > <BR>> > > > >Brian <BR>> > > > > <BR>> > > > > <BR>> > > > ><A href="http://www.vub.ac.be/POLE/pole-papers/pole0103.htm">http://www.vub.ac.be/POLE/pole-papers/pole0103.htm</A> <BR>> > > > <BR>> > > > Dear Brian, <BR>> > > > <BR>> > > > Haven't visited the above link but I will asap. If you travel <BR>around <BR>> > the <BR>> > > > world you get different perspectives on Libya. <BR>> > > > <BR>> > > > In an airport lounge in virtually any European city if it is <BR>discussed <BR>> > > > that you are visiting Libya, there is no big deal. However, I would <BR>> > > > never ever even think of telling anyone I was visiting Libya if in <BR>an <BR>> > > > American airport lounge. <BR>> > > > <BR>> > > > The Berlin disco bombing, which the American media blames on Libya <BR>is <BR>> an <BR>> > > > interesting example of media 'facts'. I have seen two seperate <BR>> European <BR>> > <BR>> > > > documentaries (one English and one German) which clearly have <BR>> determined <BR>> > > > that the Libyans had nothing to do with it - yet the Americans <BR>decided <BR>> > it <BR>> > > > was enough to warrant a full-scale bombing on Tripoli. (I notice <BR>the <BR>> > > > Americans in their behind-the-scenes war with France totally creamed <BR>> the <BR>> > > > French embassy there). <BR>> > > > <BR>> > > > The European media all happily reported that the Libyans had nothing <BR>> to <BR>> > > > do with the Berlin disco bombing, and further, speculate that the <BR>> > > > Americans knew in advance of the bombing, because American senior <BR>> > > > officers were rounded up and removed from the disco, leaving lesser <BR>> > > > ranked personnel to get blown up and provide emotional impetus for a <BR>> > > > bombing. <BR>> > > > <BR>> > > > Libya was the perfect scapegoat for the west for a long time. 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