From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted for Mike --- Subj: FW: [CIA-DRUGS] DEEP POLITICS OF OKBOMB Date: 01/15/2000 3:03:07 PM Eastern Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike Ruppert) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tanina Matheson), [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dan Hopsicker), [EMAIL PROTECTED] (CIA Drugs list) Dan/Tanina: I am being rejected from the cia-drugs list. Can you please get this up for me. I am gong to apply again. This has to do with my e-mail and differing servers during DSL installation that is not complete. This one is important to me. Thanks, Mike Ruppert www.copvcia.com Brian: I suggest that you slow down a little bit here. David Hoffman is dishonest and disreputable author who burned my close sources, broke my trust, violated an "off the record" promise and wrote demonstrably untrue falsehoods about Ted Shackley for no purpose other than self-aggrandizement. He wrote that Shackley, after talking with Dee Ferdinand, played with his pipe and sat back down in his living room or den and adjusted the controls on his TV so that he could here more information about the bombing. That implies that Hoffman was in Shackley's house which he never was and that kind of embellishment plus his absolute violation of Dee Ferdinand's trust and his promises not to abuse sources that I gave him (which he did), and his distortions of what they told him puts him totally beyond the pale. One either serves the truth or one serves the self and the self's notions of what need to happen and how. Now, I will leave aside for a moment the lunacy that we can't speak bad, even of the bad guys. To give David Hoffman and Gene Wheaton credibility here is to betray your fellows on this list. Why? Because by their own lack of principles and worship of self promotion instead of the truth they have placed themselves in a position where a truly evil man like Buck Revel can sue them and damage our entire movement. By their actions they have damaged us and our pursuit of the truth. I am a man who has written copiously and unfavorably about Ted Shackley and it looks like I am going to be able to interview him directly for my continuing Ed Wilson story for the next issue of FTW which mails on the 28th. People need to understand that when people like David Hoffman and Gene Wheaton become grandiose, embellish and bend the rules and people like Buck Revel catch them at and beat them up, it is the fault of David Hoffman and Gene Wheaton. We cannot blame the Illuminati and Oliver North for our faults. David Hoffman broke the rules badly. The sad thing - or the ultimate virtue - for the good guys is that we must scrupulously behave like good guys - all the time. The bad guys can break the rules because that is what they do. Spiritually, and from my own direct personal experience for 21 years, the reason why I beat back two suits last year (before they got filed) and why I am still alive is that I have never broken a promise to stay off-record, I have never lied about what happened in an encounter with one of the bad guys when I could have, and I don't take cheap shots for self-promotion. Mike Ruppert www.copvcia.com -----Original Message----- From: Brian Downing Quig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2000 7:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CIA-DRUGS] DEEP POLITICS OF OKBOMB From: Brian Downing Quig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I was surprised to learn after 4 1/2 years that there was a major player who showed up at the kitchen table of Glen Wilburn during the early days after the bombing who I was unaware. This is the attorney Mike Johnston who had just finished suing Ishan Barbouti when the bomb went off. Mike Johnston is now representing David Hoffman and Gene Wheaton in the million dollar libel suit brought by Buch Revelle. As the days progressed toward the initial attack of DESERT STORM Mike Johnston flew to London to purchase the blue prints of the underground bunkers Barbouti built to house Sadam's MIGS which he tuned over to the CIA allowing the MIGS to be surgically removed. (Pages 182-184 of Hoffman's book THE OKLAHOMA CITY BOMBING AND THE POLITICS OF TERROR). Hoffman remains the only author who has had the guts to publish the names Ted Shackley and Richard Secord in connection to the OKBOMB. I want to know if RABTA is real or propaganda. Any insights? Brian Quig JP Viken wrote: > From: "JP Viken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Brian, Louie Champon is a friend of mine. The c*a used ishan barbouti to > try and set him up as the person responsible for pan am 103 and for selling > cyanide to the iraqis. Actually, here's what happened and I have this > straight from Louie and I believe him: He needed investors to expand his > natural cherry flavoring business. Barbouti appeared and offerred a much > needed investment, but required that wackemout be used for security and that > the processing plant have a high tech security system. Before Louie went > into business with barbouti, he inquired with the state dept if barbouti was > clean and okay to do business with and they said he was and it was okay. > Louie's process yielded a cyanide precursor which was kept in tanks to be > neutralized to an unusable, harmless state for proper disposal. The *ia > then acquired the building accross the street and tunneled under the street > and constructed a suction tube to transport the cyanide precursor to storage > tanks for removal and sale & delivery to iraq. This could easily be done > since wackemout staff were responsible for handling the cyanide precursor. > When Louie found out was was happening he immediately went to the > authorities and reported everything and cooperated fully, but they tried to > further set him up to be the scapegoat. If jimmy rothstein had not > intervened with the help of several high powered contacts of his, Louie > would be rotting in a federal jail for life for something he never did. I > know a lot more (and some is extremely sensitive to ceratian bureaucrats > still in high positions) but I'm only going to reveal more if these folks > keep harassing me. It's time for a truce. Let me just say this>>>there are > some very sensitive phone log prinouts that could go into circulation from a > number of sources all at once. This kind of stuff is needless. > > In addition, I did hear talk of the suitcase being Louie's and this may be > true. If so barbouti had to have borrowed it from him in an attempt to set > Louie up. Louie has other problems, but he's no terrorist. He's actually a > peacenick, completely non-violent and very concerned with making money in > the natural food products business only. Next time I talk to him I'll ask > him about the suitcase. -----Original Message----- From: Brian Downing Quig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2000 7:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CIA-DRUGS] DEEP POLITICS OF OKBOMB From: Brian Downing Quig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I was surprised to learn after 4 1/2 years that there was a major player who showed up at the kitchen table of Glen Wilburn during the early days after the bombing who I was unaware. This is the attorney Mike Johnston who had just finished suing Ishan Barbouti when the bomb went off. Mike Johnston is now representing David Hoffman and Gene Wheaton in the million dollar libel suit brought by Buch Revelle. As the days progressed toward the initial attack of DESERT STORM Mike Johnston flew to London to purchase the blue prints of the underground bunkers Barbouti built to house Sadam's MIGS which he tuned over to the CIA allowing the MIGS to be surgically removed. (Pages 182-184 of Hoffman's book THE OKLAHOMA CITY BOMBING AND THE POLITICS OF TERROR). Hoffman remains the only author who has had the guts to publish the names Ted Shackley and Richard Secord in connection to the OKBOMB. I want to know if RABTA is real or propaganda. Any insights? Brian Quig JP Viken wrote: > From: "JP Viken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Brian, Louie Champon is a friend of mine. The c*a used ishan barbouti to > try and set him up as the person responsible for pan am 103 and for selling > cyanide to the iraqis. Actually, here's what happened and I have this > straight from Louie and I believe him: He needed investors to expand his > natural cherry flavoring business. Barbouti appeared and offerred a much > needed investment, but required that wackemout be used for security and that > the processing plant have a high tech security system. Before Louie went > into business with barbouti, he inquired with the state dept if barbouti was > clean and okay to do business with and they said he was and it was okay. > Louie's process yielded a cyanide precursor which was kept in tanks to be > neutralized to an unusable, harmless state for proper disposal. The *ia > then acquired the building accross the street and tunneled under the street > and constructed a suction tube to transport the cyanide precursor to storage > tanks for removal and sale & delivery to iraq. This could easily be done > since wackemout staff were responsible for handling the cyanide precursor. > When Louie found out was was happening he immediately went to the > authorities and reported everything and cooperated fully, but they tried to > further set him up to be the scapegoat. If jimmy rothstein had not > intervened with the help of several high powered contacts of his, Louie > would be rotting in a federal jail for life for something he never did. I > know a lot more (and some is extremely sensitive to ceratian bureaucrats > still in high positions) but I'm only going to reveal more if these folks > keep harassing me. It's time for a truce. Let me just say this>>>there are > some very sensitive phone log prinouts that could go into circulation from a > number of sources all at once. This kind of stuff is needless. > > In addition, I did hear talk of the suitcase being Louie's and this may be > true. If so barbouti had to have borrowed it from him in an attempt to set > Louie up. Louie has other problems, but he's no terrorist. He's actually a > peacenick, completely non-violent and very concerned with making money in > the natural food products business only. Next time I talk to him I'll ask > him about the suitcase. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Downing Quig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2000 11:11 AM > Subject: Re: [CIA-DRUGS] RABTA AND BARBOUTI > > > From: Brian Downing Quig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > The prosecution's star witness in the German disco bombing turned around > in > > court to say that he was working for the CIA and his prveious story was > just > > their lie. > > > > You have PAN AM 103 right in my opinion. Those searching the early > wreckage > > had a discription of McKee's civilian cloths. McKee only boraded the > plane at > > the last minute so that meant he was under survaillance when he boarded. > > > > I have been told by many that the suit case that carried the bomb was > > purchased by Louis Champon who gave it to Barbouti. Do you know anything > of > > that? > > > > Brian > > > > nexusmagazine wrote: > > > > > From: nexusmagazine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > >Duncan, > > > > > > > >Here is another source that references Rabta and the Germans > > > >as if it is an unquestioned fact. What do you think is > > > >behind this? I would like to find someone who is on top of > > > >this. > > > > > > > >Brian > > > > > > > > > > > >http://www.vub.ac.be/POLE/pole-papers/pole0103.htm > > > > > > Dear Brian, > > > > > > Haven't visited the above link but I will asap. If you travel around > the > > > world you get different perspectives on Libya. > > > > > > In an airport lounge in virtually any European city if it is discussed > > > that you are visiting Libya, there is no big deal. However, I would > > > never ever even think of telling anyone I was visiting Libya if in an > > > American airport lounge. > > > > > > The Berlin disco bombing, which the American media blames on Libya is an > > > interesting example of media 'facts'. I have seen two seperate European > > > > documentaries (one English and one German) which clearly have determined > > > that the Libyans had nothing to do with it - yet the Americans decided > it > > > was enough to warrant a full-scale bombing on Tripoli. (I notice the > > > Americans in their behind-the-scenes war with France totally creamed the > > > French embassy there). > > > > > > The European media all happily reported that the Libyans had nothing to > > > do with the Berlin disco bombing, and further, speculate that the > > > Americans knew in advance of the bombing, because American senior > > > officers were rounded up and removed from the disco, leaving lesser > > > ranked personnel to get blown up and provide emotional impetus for a > > > bombing. > > > > > > Libya was the perfect scapegoat for the west for a long time. Now that > > > the Brits have reestablished diplomatic contact, and the Libyans have > > > formally accepted responsibility (I say formally because nearly everyone > > > knows they were innocent) for the Yvonne Fletcher shooting in London - > it > > > will be most interesting to see what sort of trial results come out of > > > the Lockerbie case - which nearly all Europeans know to be a CIA drug > > > sting gone bad. > > > > > > regards > > > > > > Duncan > > > > > > Duncan M. Roads > > > Editor, NEXUS Magazine > > > PO Box 30, Mapleton Qld 4560 Australia > > > Tel: +61 (0)7 5442 9280; Fax: +61 (0)7 5442 9381 > > > http://www.nexusmagazine.com > > > > > > "The nature of the universe is such that ends can never justify the > means. > > > On the contrary, the means always determine the end." > > > (Aldous Huxley) > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > PRIMARY RESEARCH ASSOCIATES conducts state of the art research and > analysis of > > technical and scientific potentials. 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