Well J2 ... you ALMOST started to, for once, make sense on this topic -
until those last absurdities about Christians being PURE "communists".
Those inanities you prattled simply show that you have no true
understanding, or definition of either terms.
Using your "logic" one could extrapolate from "St" Paul's words, when he
states that if a man does not work he ought not eat; "For even when we were
with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should
he eat." (2 Thessalonians 3:10) - to conclude that Christians, were
down-in-the-gutter, lets get dirt greedy, a dog-eat-dog breed, of the most
extreme element of pernicious, and parasitic type of Economic Rationalist
Capitalist pigs on earth.
Now this, in some cases may be true of organised rapacious religion, which
struts upon its own connived stage-show, camouflaged in a Christ-like
facade. But behind the mask - is not the spirit nor doctrine of Christ.
True Christians, were neither adherents of, Religionism, Communism, nor
Capitalism.
They taught personal and direct experience with God without the "temple"
religion baggage, personal responsibility in civil life but not the worship
of Caesar, moral responsibility for the plight of their fellow man - and in
trade; that whilst one is required earn ones way, never to forget that all
one does bears consequences on the many; but also, whilst the "many" were
needful, there was "One" above the State - who was their ultimate arbiter of
truth, law, justice and love - the final Judge of all men and women.
Christians transcended sundry and all "isms", and simply remained - simply
Christian.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nurev Ind Research" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 5:34 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Secret Societies and the NWO
> Nicky Molloy wrote:
> >
> > http://members.xoom.com/biblebelieve/masonry.htm
> > Many links
> > Secret Societies and the NWO
> >
> > The New World Order
> > Is this scheme to establish a New World Order in fact a reality? Yes it
is.
> > If you do not believe this I encourage you to study the United Nations
> > documents and also the treaties which, once ratified by individual
nations,
> > become INTERNATIONAL LAW. The United Nations created the Commission for
> > Global Governance, if you don't believe this, visit the United Nations
> > website and look it up.
> >
> > The Commission for Global Governance released a report: Our Global
> > Neighbourhood, that predicates a world court, a global tax, and global
> > police force. And the U.S. State Department Publication 7277 outlines a
one
> > world police force under the United Nations. So many prominent world
leaders
> > are calling for a one world government the intention is obvious. Yet
most
> > people are so occupied by life's responsibilities, careers, sports and
> > television, they have little time to study what's going on in the
corridors
> > of power.
> >
> > The coming one world government is being set up in the political arena
under
> > the flag of the United Nations, through organizations such as the
Trilateral
> > Commission, Council of Foreign Relations, the Royal Institute of
> > International Affairs, the Bilderbergers, and the Club of Rome whose
members
> > include many world leaders, media personalities and other influential
> > people. The published goal of the Council of Foreign Relations for
example
> > is a one world government. And although most have never heard of many of
> > these groups, they do exist, and they are very influential. The core of
> > these groups hold to "illuminist" philosophy.
> >
> > A second focus is economics with free trade agreements, the
International
> > Monetary Fund, World Bank and the Bank of International Settlements. The
> > coming global monetary crisis is intended to institute a universal
> > debt-based currency controlled by the International Financiers and
issued to
> > individuals against biometric identification cards. This is all about
> > control!
> >
> > The third area of focus is religion. Organizations like the World
Council of
> > Churches and the Parliament of World Religions were established to
introduce
> > a new world religion. It is based on a pantheistic/humanist philosophy.
Pay
> > careful attention when you study the documents and reports published by
the
> > United Nations and related organizations. This philosophy is now being
> > taught in the education system and has been implemented under programs
such
> > as Goals 2000.
> >
> > The New World Order will be SOCIALISM. Read the United Nations
declarations
> > and treaties for proof of this fact. The individual will be subservient
to
> > the state. Rights and power reside in and derive from the state, not the
> > individual.
>
> I usually don't read your postings because you have no critical faculties
> whatsoever. But I just have to respond to this foolishness.
>
> The NWO is driven by Capitalists. It is Capitalism which is being
established
> world wide. The Socialist countries like China are increasing the
Capitalist
> aspects of their economies because it produces a pool of wealth which is
easily
> accessible to elites for the purposes of theft and self enrichment.
>
> > United Nations documents all speak of collectivism. They claim that
private
> > ownership and management of property is not to the benefit of the human
> > race.
>
> And the New Testament says the EXACT SAME THING. ( See below.)
>
> > These things are cloaked in a pleasant language, and most people are
> > taken in and deceived. Yet few bother to study these documents.
> >
> > In the New World Order you will be in serfdom to the controlling elite!
You
> > will have no liberty, and no rights. The State will look after you for
your
> > best interests. Do you see how the governments of the free world are
slowly
> > becoming more involved in everyday life? This is exactly what socialism
is.
> > The government becomes involved in every aspect of personal life. Today
we
> > require a license for so many things. In Australia, farmers now require
> > permission to farm the land they own. This is not freedom.
> >
> > In the New World Order, private ownership of property will be abolished.
You
> > will only own what you need "after all this is best for the world." "We
need
> > to be looked after."
>
> You make it very clear that people who take this version of what is going
on
> seriously DO need to be looked after.
>
> > Terms such as 'sustainable development' mean depopulation and serfdom.
The
> > masses continue to fall for lie after lie after lie. Study history and
you
> > will discover that there have been very few free societies. Those that
were
> > free were either overthrown or fell into the trap of socialism, totally
> > unaware of the dangers until it was too late. Socialism (communism) is
> > always implemented through deception. History portrays a repetitive
> > phenomenon . . . enslavement-revolt-freedom-apathy-enslavement.
Enslavement
> > frequently followed revolution because the people did not realize that
> > socialism was slavery, not freedom.
> >
> > Today environment is being used to make people feel guilty, enticing
them to
> > accept socialism as necessary. The environmental movement has been
co-opted
> > to strip private ownership of control and exploitation of resources.
Many
> > environmental 'facts' are lies, exaggerations and unscientific claims to
> > manipulate the masses in the classic Hegelian Dialectic: create the
problem,
> > create opposition to the problem, then present your own predetermined
> > solution. Global warming is a perfect example.
> >
> > I recommend reading the study, 'The Report From Iron Mountain,' which
> > suggested the environment as a tool by which to manipulate the masses to
> > accept loss of freedom to a one world government.
>
> REPORT FROM IRON MOUNTAIN IS FAKE! IT'S A JOKE! IT WAS WRITTEN AS SATIRE!
> The author is appalled at the stupidity of the Right who still refer to it
> after he came out and said that he wrote it as satire.
>
> snip>
> > Already in the United States those who support the Constitution,
> > Patriots and the Militia groups are ridiculed as crazy paranoids and
> > dangerous extremists. In Australia, it's the supporters of Pauline
Hanson's
> > One Nation and Graham Campbell's Australia First Parties who are
ridiculed
> > and persecuted. These are merely people who are aware of what is going
on.
> > If you are one of those who believe that these patriots who are against
> > globalism are crazy and deluded, I ask, have you ever spoken to one?
Have
> > you checked validity of their claims? or are you blindly following what
the
> > media feeds you?
>
> Yes. I have plenty of times. I have found " Patriot " types to be pretty
> ignorant in general. Paranoid in the extreme. And simplistic in their
solutions.
> They are usually religionists, and completely out of touch with reality.
They
> are afraid of " Socialism," because they are afraid to loose their
superstitious
> crutch. They are also afraid that " property rights " a concept invented
by the
> Rich, will be eroded by people who think that human rights supersede
property
> rights.
>
> snip>
> > "A nation of well-informed men, who have been taught to know and prize
the
> > rights that God has given them cannot be enslaved. It is in the region
of
> > ignorance that tyranny begins!" Benjamin Franklin
> >
> > All this is designed to destroy the existing world order from within to
> > bring about a New World Order (a new way of doing things). The present
order
> > is based upon Christian principles. This foundation proved very
successful.
> > Contrast those nations built upon Christian foundation with nations that
> > were established on a pagan or Islamic foundation. The Christian nations
> > have had freedom, liberty and opportunity for all citizens, whether
> > Christian or not.
>
> HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA Good one!
>
> > In these nations, the people have sovereign inalienable
> > God-given rights, and government is responsible for protecting those
rights.
> > The rights of personal freedom, individual liberty and private property
are
> > granted by an authority higher than man, thus this authority cannot be
> > overruled by men.
>
> I wonder if god knows exactly where the property lines are for every home
owner
> and land owner in the world? Will god punish a person for letting his dog
piss
> on someone else's property? Is god angry that humans claim to own the land
> which he created? Will real estate agents go to hell for what they do?
God, I
> hope so.
>
> snip>
>
> > Socialism and communism have their roots in the Mystery Religion.
>
> Is there ANYTHING that you ever get right? ANYTHING?
>
> Socialism has it's roots in Judaism ( charity ), and communism has it's
> roots in early Christianity ( which is also Judaism ). Jesus and his
followers
> were PURE communists.
>
> **** " The earliest record mentions only two aspects of ( early " church
")
> organization: 1- Holding all things in common and 2- making a general
> distribution of goods according to individual needs.
> ( Acts 2:44-45 )" from " The Birth of Christianity. " by Joel Carmichael
*****
>
> Barnabas made a gift of his possessions to the " community." ( Acts
4:36-37 )
>
> It says so in the NT. It's the " Gospel Truth!" Look it up. Nothing about
> god given " property rights " here you greedy hypocritical lying fakes.
>
> Talk about out and out hypocrisy. If being a " good Christian " means that
> you try to be like Jesus, then you are a disgrace to his teachings by
> advocating for Capitalism. Christian Capitalist is an oxymoron. A follower
> of Jesus MUST strive for communism as the ideal.
>
> Live with that you phonies.
>
> [ By the way, I am not a communist.]
> snip>
> >
> > I consider myself a realist. I like to face up to the real world in
which I
> > live,
>
> HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA another good one.
>
> > not the fiction our political, economic and religious leaders would
> > like us to believe.
> >
>
> What will become of us? How can humanity survive when there are so many
> loonies walking around untreated, and reproducing little loonies?
>
> These people also get to vote! There ought to be a sanity clause. Like
> at Christmas time.
>
> Joshua2
>
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