>
J2> I have nothing against socialism. If it's good enough
J2> for rich capitalists, it's good enough for me.
>
> Foxter wrote: Aren't you confusing oligarchism with socialism?
No I'm not. They are oligarchs only because they enjoy the benefits of
socialism by controlling the government. The precise description of our
political system is plutocratic cleptocracy. A political system devised to
help the rich steal.
J2> How much of the value of your work goes to lazy freeloaders, and how much
goes
J2> to your
J2> employer, and how much goes into taxes that support the rich and their
J2> corporations?
>
> Much of it does, that is a choice the government has made. That
> choice includes allowing employers to keep a portion of their earnings (viz,
> capitalism). This choice can be made by a dictatorship, democracy or
> socialist country. Employers' earnings are not an effect of democracy as a
> cause. Nor are tax levels.
I think I agree, but i'm not certain I understand what you mean. Labor value
is an economic term and democracy and dictatorship are political terms.
J2> In case you don't know it, it costs you MUCH more to subsidize the rich than
J2> it does the poor, the lazy, the crippled, the sick, and the insane.
>
> Agreed here. A rich lifestyle costs more than a poor lifestyle.
> In this country many sick and disabled are thankful they are in this country
> instead of others.
This is a ridiculous statement. How do you know this? How do the happy sick and
disabled know what it's like to be sick and disabled in other countries? They
don't. It's only better to be sick and disabled in this country if you are rich
or have a good insurance policy. Forty million of your fellow citizens don't. So
for them your statement is absurd. They would be better off in any other
industrialized country, and some third world countries with good socialized
medicine.
> It gives me a degree of happiness to support them
> through taxes. This includes my elderly mother on social security and a good
> friend on disability.
Then you know in a real sense the benefits of socialism. So do the Congress, the
military, the professional government bureaucracy, defense contractors, the CIA,
the NSA, and ALL LARGE CORPORATIONS. They all receive the benefits of
socialism. But WE, the
ordinary working people who create the wealth they all live on, are constantly
brainwashed into thinking that socialism is bad.
It works.
Naom Chomsky calls it socialism for the rich, and capitalism for the poor.
Joshua2
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