Click Here: <A HREF="http://www.danspapers.com/jerry.htm">Dan's Papers</A> ----- May 12, 2000 The Eyewitnesses Flight 800 Eyewitness Reports Finally Released By FBI Contradict CIA Version By Jerry Cimisi Nearly four years after the tragic explosion of TWA Flight 800, killing 230 on board, The Federal Bureau of Investigation has released aproximately 750 eyewitnesses reports, hundreds of which contain sightings of a "flare-like" object ascending from the sea or land (depending on the eyewitness's perspective), followed by a midair explosion. The fact that many people in various locations saw what appeared to be an object ascending to meet Flight 800 is hardly news; many eyewitnesses over the past years have spoken openly about what they saw. What is pertinent is that when one reads these "302" FBI interviews, their cumulative testimony refutes the "explanations" the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), the FBI and CIA gave as the mechanics of the explosions. The official conclusion was, simply, that the "missile" so many people thought they saw rising up (or streaking across the sky horizontally) was actually Flight 800 itself, after the center wing fuel tank exploded and which somehow caused the plane to rise several thousand feet before a subsequent explosion, after which the plane fell to the ocean. Each eyewitness report is designated with a number. The names of eyewitness are blacked out, to protect their privacy. But Witness 88 (among others), saw a "flare" and, separately, Flight 800 itself. This witness was fishing in Moriches Inlet. The sound of an explosion alerted him to something in the southwest that was ascending. He at first thought it was fireworks. He watched it climb as it left a wispy trail of smoke. Soon the smoke trail stopped and became bright red. Now the witness was surmising it was a distress flare from a boat. Then it seemed to reach its highest point and proceeded to cross the sky from east to west. It was then that Witness 88 saw an airplane come into view. The "flare" met the plane and there was an explosion. Another eyewitness who saw the plane being met by an object is someone we can refer to by name, as the first time she spoke to the press about it was to this reporter in May, 1998. The night TWA 800 went down, Lisa Perry was at her father's beach house on Fire Island. "I saw the missile,"she said. At the time she saw a plane in the sky she also saw "Something moving north to south over the dunesS of Fire Island. It was shiny, like a new dime; it looked like a plane without wingsS It was as if there was a flame at the back of it... It moved much faster than the plane. The silver object took a left turn and went up to the plane. The plane stopped for a moment as something would when it had suffered an impact, not just an explosion. Then it began to fractureS You could see the spaces in between the plane [as it began to break apart]. A moment later there was another explosion and the plane broke jaggedl y in the sky... I told the FBI the nose had come off; I told them this before the Navy pulled it out of the water." Witness 145: From Bay Shore she saw a plane offshore and a object proceeding upwards towards the plane. The object trailed gray-white smoke. Then the object hit the plane. The plane fell toward the water and seemed to break in two. Again, both Witness 497, 145 and Perry saw, separately, an airplane and a missile-like object. And none saw the plane rise after it was hit. Roland Perry of Center Moriches also saw an ascending streak, an explosion and the plane fall from the sky. "S the plane went straight down and it didn't go forward an inch. This was Bam! And it came down." A year after Flight 800, Penny was asked by retired Navy Commander William S. Donaldson, if he were sure he saw something going up and not down. He said, "I ought to be able to tell if something is going up in the air or going down in the air... I'm not changing my mind about it S I'll stick to that until I die." In addition, Penny talked about a neighbor who also saw an ascending object in the sky and was questioned by investigators if she might have confused up and down. Penny, related, "She was upset because she says I'm a grown woman. She says I saw something definitely going and there is no question in my about that and she says I'm not changing my mind either." Mike Hull of Westchester has an extensive website concerning Flight 800. He has put together a telling summary and analysis of the eyewitness reports; a portion of his research is used in this article. (Hull's website is http://hometown.aol.com/bardonia. One can download all the eyewitness reports at www.twa800.com) Further evidence that Flight 800 did not ascend, aflame after exploding (and thus create the illusion of a rising missile), is provided by the pilot of a private plane over Riverhead that fateful evening. Witness 702, Swen Faret (who was interviewed by the media after the incident) said his AC-12 was cruising at 8,500 feet. He saw, southward of his plane, a white light which suddenly exploded. Faret said he had seen what he believed to be a plane's running lights just before the explosion. The FBI report reads, 'The object, according to 702, definitely exploded below his plane because the smoke trail after the explosion was at seven and a half thousand feet. He realized it was a plane that had exploded when he flew over to the area. "Upon exploding, the debris fell quickly and straight down." Witness 475 was a first officer on a plane and witnessed an explosion below his craft. The witness estimated that the explosion occurred at an altitude of 5,000-6,000 feet. At this point it should be inserted that not all eyewitness reports tell of a missile-like object, though, of course over one hundred do; but, it seems, not one eyewitness, who believed him or herself looking at a plane, saw it rise after it exploded. Again, the "experts" say this is because the fireball that witnesses saw rising was the already exploded plane. It is apparent that Flight 800 suffered two explosions. In the CIA analysis presented to the public in the autumn of 1997, the agency said that the plane rose from 12,800 feet to 17,000 feet after the first explosion and exploded a second time and it was this that eyewitnesses confused as a missile trail ending in an explosion. But, as reports such as those given by Faret and Witness 475 indicate, an explosion below 8,000 feet occurred - undoubtably the second explosion, and nowhere near the 17,000 feet the CIA says this explosion occurred. Paul Angelides, on the beach in Westhampton, saw a flare rise up from the water and witnessed the skyborne explosion. In a description he wrote for Commander Donaldson in July, 1998, he said, "Months later I saw the CIA reenactment on various TV newscasts. It does not correlate in any way with my observations... The red, phosphorescent object which first attracted my attention travelled a great distance and at great speed to the area of 800's demise. The object originated in a vastly different sector of the sky than the Flight 800 path." In his summary of the eyewitness reports, Hull points out that several eyewitnesses saw two missile-streaks indicate that Flight 800 was struck by two missiles. Witness 261 on the beach on Southampton saw what he thought was an orange "firework" shoot upward from the southwest. It ascended then descended and was lost to his sight. In another moment he saw a second and third "firework" ascend at the same time. About half a minute later, the witness said he heard a rumble and saw a smoke trail going down to the horizon. Wtinesses 86 and 158 observed two orange ascending streaks. Rosa Gray Khalilch, as reported by the Suffolk County police, from Smith's Point, saw a pair of ascending orange streaks end in a fireball. Witness 218 in Brookhaven saw two unidentified objects ascend and explode. Barbara Pacholk, interview by Flight 800 researcher Tom Stalcup, also saw two objects rise up into the sky. She claims that one exploded at the tail of the plane, one near the nose. She further claimed that she saw the periscope of a submarine in the water, with the periscope directed at the distant plane. She thought it possible one missile came from this submarine. There was a husband and wife on Dune Road by Tiana Bay: he saw two streaks ascend; from another direction, she saw another. Some eyewitnesses said they saw an apparent missile hit the plane on one side in the front, others said they saw the plane impacted on the opposite side; a few said they saw the plane hit from the rear. This latter view would explain why a beam from the rear of the plane was jammed through the entire craft and into the cockpit. Hull said, "When you go through all the eyewitness reports you understand why the FBI was confused. You've got one apparent missile coming from one direction and another from another, and then a third." One of the most telling witness reports of two missile-like streaks were by Air National Guard personnel in a Blackhawk helicopter over Gabreski Airport in Westhampton. The Blackhawk was, prior to a nighttime training exercise, making a practice approach to the airport. Pilots Fred Meyer and Chris Bauer saw, from different perspectives, a separate streak each, culminating in an explosion. "So," Hull went on, "it was easy for the FBI to conclude that the witnesses were confused, not seeing what they were seeing. But when you conclude there were three missiles, it fits." It is apparent, from the testimony of a number of witnesses that the FBI agents who interviewed them personally considered it very possible that a missile or missiles brought down Flight 800. Angelides said that during his interview with the Bureau he noticed on the questionaire from which the agents were drawing their queries, "When did you first see the missile?" Along with the eyewitness accounts, the FBI released a report drafted by Special Agent Steven Bongardt (whom sources say personally witnessed a missile-like streak in the sky that night of July 17, 1996). The report details the plotting of lines of sight of a number of the "missile" sightings, for the purpose of trying to determine if Flight 800 has been brought down by a MANPAD (Man Portable Air Defense, or, in other words, a shoulder launched missile.) The report details fixing different sightings from different eyewitnesses, but offers no conclusions. At the end of his website summary on the eyewitness reports, Mike Hull offers an analysis on the probability of the accuracy or inaccuracy of the eyewitness. "If one assumes that a 'reliable' witness can report an observation correctly in only one out of five observations, there is only a twenty percent probability that an event reported by such a witness would have actually taken place as described." Having two eyewitnesses rises the probability of accuracy to thrity-six percent. With ten witnesses it is 89.26 percent. With forty it is 99.99 percent. If we lower the degree of reliability to ten percent accuracy, it would take fifty witness to insure an event had a 99 plus percent probability of occurring. Hull choose the twenty and then ten percent figures merely to show that if one considered eyewitnesses very unreliable (being correct only one in five or one in ten times), if forty or fifty of these witnesses reported a similar event it was extremely likely that it had indeed occurred. Witnesses 745: "observed, to his right, an object similar to a rocket, which appeared to have come from the ground, moving straight up in the airS " Can all these eyewitnesses be mistaken as to what they saw? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ All material copyright Dans Papers, Inc. All rights reserved. ----- Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, All My Relations. Omnia Bona Bonis, Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. 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