-----Original Message----- From: Nicky Molloy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: SNET <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Armageddon or New Age? <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Saturday, 6 May 2000 20:34 Subject: Mind Control and Contrails - K Billings interview 1/2 Excerpts from Coast to Coast AM The Art Bell Show - May 7th , 1999 Transcript Courtesy: David Icke Website Hilly Rose hosting. http://209.145.38.129/psychops/Past_Appearances/Coast_to_Coast_AM/coast_to_c oast_am.html Transcriber's note: In the interest of time (to make it into the magazine) and readability, this will NOT be a perfect transcription of this interview. I've tried to include the most important topics and segments and a few highlights. It will not be grammatically correct - and you will certainly find typos. However, the information is vitally important. My notes are enclosed in [brackets]. Many thanks to Mark for taking the time to tape it and sending the tape to us! HR: It is my great pleasure to talk with Kurt Billings tonight. He has a unique view of the trappings of mind control and government experiments. Back in 1985, he began working with survivors of various types of mind control programming. He has provided education and consultation services to mental health professionals counseling victims of Satanic Ritual Abuse, that's SRA, and government mind control. He has written a number of books including "Somewhere Under the Rainbow" in 1989, "A Generation Deceived" in 1992. He has compiled extensive research into his latest video called Prisoners of Psych Ops", in which he exposes why the U.S. is chemically spraying it's citizens through the use of contrails. The video is a documented review of the history of mind control, the government projects such as MKUltra and the latest mind control technology such as the microchips and the use of ELF waves. And we are talking about microchips that are implanted into your body. It is my great pleasure to welcome to this program Mr. Kurt Billings. [Hilly asked for a synopsis of what would be discussed tonight.] KB: You say that these contrails are the work of the United States government in chemically spraying the citizens through the use of � they're laying down these various patterns and we can go on to talk about the microchips. Why would the government do this? Maybe we'd better start with the microchips. I'll give you a little basic overview. There are several laws out there, including the 1986 Immigrations Control Act, Section 100 and it says that the president can control and track all people by any means possible including electronic medium under the skin - which is a microchip. HR: This is an� it specifically says "under the skin"?? KB: Yes, Sir. I'll give you a quick synopsis of the history of this� once upon a time they started experimenting with microwires in the brain starting in 1911 to 1915. Then they started working to build it into a microchip and they started out with the power being a lithium power. And now since the early '90's (I'm covering lots ground and we'll come back over all of this), in the early '90s they developed what they called the biochip, which was made up of organic material. This is the latest circuitry and it runs off of alkaline or acid. This chip is about the diameter of a hair, looks like a half a grain of sand and will easily go through a vaccination needle. Our government has been experimenting on us and has dumped 3 or 4 million through flu shots and vaccinations into the general public sine '93. Now, the chip is driven through alkaline. So we have the contrails. What are the contrails? According to World Weekly, which is an Internet news, the contrails are diethylene bromide, which is a pesticide. What is a pesticide? If you look it up in the medical dictionary, a pesticide is an alkaline-based chemical. The alkaline will hit your skin and go right through it and will drive the microchip. HR: I don't understand this, Kurt. You're saying that this government, the United States government, has been implanting microchips into the population that they can monitor. How do they monitor? KB: They monitor by satellite - I'll get into all of the technology later. But not only will this chip monitor by a number frequency but, it will also broadcast directly into the mind through an ELF signal from a satellite which is part of the Euridian or Leo satellite system. So these microchips are driven by alkaline and they generate alkaline in the body. So in order to feed these microchips, we've found over five or six years the water in the United States has been going more and more alkaline as we travel all over the country speaking and writing and researching. We find that when that when we check the contrail when we see one overhead, we find the alkalinity go up through the ceiling. What's it take to feed the microchip? Alkalinity to be able to pass through the skin. What's the other thing? Alkaline poisoning is upper respiratory. That's one of the other symptoms of alkaline poisoning. HR: So let me understand this. You are saying that the government is in a dedicated program to implant microchips into every American that is then fed by the material in the contrails? Is that what you're saying? KB: That's what I'm saying. HR: And that's the reason that this is being laid down so the government can activate them, feed them, if you will? KB: Yes, that's one of the reasons and there are biologicals in there and other things, too. HR: Why would they do that? KB: Well, you've got to keep them fed and you've got to start to control your population. This is a form of mind control�this is also bringing on "the mark of the beast " - the ultimate experiment of controlling all of America. HR: Are you saying to me that President Clinton knows about this? Or do you think it's other parts of the government? KB: There is no doubt that the president knows about this. He has been working on, since '92, when the vaccine "smart card" where everyone needed to carry a card with a microchip to the point where there was a presidential order signed that everyone gets a microchip when martial law kicks in. It's what came out of the Immigration Bill. It's called an ID card, but it's an ID card with a chip right in hand. HR: I would assume, Kurt, that that's illegal. KB: They have been doing it for years. I talk to X-ray technicians regularly who tell me they see hundreds. HR: Do these people who are giving injections and vaccinations (which I'm against for other reasons - chemical reasons)� are you saying that they are unaware of what they are doing? KB: Some of them are. Some of them aren't. I talked two weeks ago while I was in Kansas City to a nurse who was in Obstetrics who was having to put microchips in the heals of babies and she quit because she refused to do it but she knew it was going on in the Kansas City Hospital. HR: You're telling me that new babies are being inoculated and little chips are being inserted in their bodies that the government of the United States can use for mind control and all those people� KB: And tracking. They can track them within ten feet. Yes, I am. HR: Kurt, this is a horrendous allegation. Can you back this up? KB: Yes, I can. I'll give you newspaper articles and a whole bunch of things. Yes, I can! HR: And you believe that this is what these chemtrails are all about - they're feeding these microchips. KB: Yes. Yes. HR: It takes my breath away. I� I hardly know what to say. I mean I understand the government is duplicitous. And I understand that there is this {unintelligible] history which you and I will talk about but when you talk about mind control, couldn't the president have used this in the Monica situation to reject�? Well, maybe he did! Because let's face it, despite everything that happened there, his popularity remained the highest ever. And it could well be because of the microchips! KB: Could well be. HR: Because there's no other way to explain that! KB: No, there isn't. America is slowly getting dumbed down through the subliminals on tv, and the constant bombardment of "everything's okay", to the ELF, which is Extremely Low Frequency which I'll get into, to the microchip experiments, to the microwaving of people which dumbs them down, to HAARP, and so on. HR: What's HAARP? KB: HAARP is the electromagnetic thing that's going up in Alaska. That's not my field. ------------ HR: I want you to start at the beginning, which starts way back - 1800's? 1900's? KB: I'm going to touch that microchip and the Nazi doctors and some of their experiments but before we do that, I'm going to rattle off a couple of articles. These are on microchips and are in newspapers they can all go and grab so that they can find out what's going on. This is from the Tucson Weekly, June 24th, 1994. This is a magazine that comes out once a week in Tucson and the article is entitled "Electronic Leash." It's says, "Implantable Biochip is Already Here, Big Brother is Just Around the Corner." That's the title and it's by Lisa Crosby. It talks about the biochip and how they already used it in Florida in 1989 for kid tracking. And they'd implanted several thousand of them. The next one we have is from Sunday March 3rd, 1996, St. Peters, Missouri. The mayor is talking to the Town Council about implanting everybody in town and making them a global village. In one ear they can have the microchip that tracks them and in the other ear they can have the one that hooks up to the satellite system through a cellular phone type set up. HR: Okay, what else. KB: We have the Chicago Tribune. HR: That's a biggie. KB: Tues, May 7, 1996. It says, "In the Future, this Tiny Bug May Get Under Your Skin" is the title of the article and it by John Van and goes into a lot of detail. HR: Just one more and let's get into the subject. KB: Okay. I'm trying to spur people to do their own research and giving them foot holds. This is from the Arizona Republic and talks about Kidscan who has the patent in Florida and when they took it to Oak Ridge Laboratory in Tennessee who developed ELF, by the way, the government decided gee, this would be a good thing. And they started to develop the microchip there. And they talked about kidnapping. HR: You mentioned ELF several times now. Would you tell me exactly what that is and why it's important? KB: Okay. ELF is Extremely Low Frequency. It's set up so that it moves on a wave that it is able to broadcast directly into the mind. Our mind moves at 25 brain waves per second to 4 brain waves per second where your conscious level is 25 and your Delta level, your unconscious level is 4 brain waves per second. So this is able to broadcast so that it comes right into your mind as thought or affect your dreams and basically be able to program you. HR: And is that what the government is doing? Feeding these microchips with chemtrails and getting the information directly into your head with ELF, is that correct? KB: Correct. Okay, I gave your radio station a couple of clips and let me give you some background on this. Remember all the Waco night music and disturbance music they were playing? This was set up for sleep disturbance. At the same time they were doing sleep disturbance, they were locked in through ELF to the music. Now this is not backmasking, this is ELF. What you'll hear is a sound that goes vroo, vroo, vroo [demonstrated as a low, humming sound]. And you'll hear is a southern male... I slowed the music way down so you can hear it. HR: This is sort of like a reverse recording? KB: This is like a reverse recording. Forward, you'll hear Nancy Sinatra singing. And you should be able to make out most of the words but it says, "You're all going to die. You're all going to die. Now that you know that you know it. You're never going to be free, you're all going to die." And this is what they told them that went directly into the minds of the men, women and children at Waco two to three weeks before they burned them out. HR: But how did they know that everybody at the Waco in the Koresh compound had been inoculated and had a microchip in them? KB: You don't have to have a microchip to broadcast ELF. ELF was designed to broadcast into people's heads. HR: Directly? KB: Directly. HR: Well, then why do they have to bother with the microchips? KB: The microchip helps it along a whole bunch. HR: You said this is what they played at Waco. KB: They played this at Waco. I got this from the media. HR: And the suggestion is that they're going to die� why would they do this? What's supposed to happen in the people in Koresh's compound? KB: Well, it's supposed to 1) torment them. 2) make them to the point where they just give up. HR: Well, lets play this. So it's Nancy Sinatra forward and then you have reversed it. Is there one cut or two on the reverse? KB: There's two. [The tape was played. There was commentary that Hilly did not hear it. I did hear some of it the second time I listened - especially "You're never going to be free" - that was very clear.] Kurt's website: www.psychops.com ------ KB: ELF was set up by the military so that they could bombard the enemy. It's gotten to the point now that it's about the size of a shoebox and you're able to point this little generator at a house, or whatever you're pointing at (it's a pretty localized signal) and broadcast directly into the mind. I've been working with people for years who are victims of mind control and they're starting to have problems with their smoke detectors going off, or their computers going weird or different things going off in their house, electronic items. We've done some research to find out that the ELF wave will set off, according to the smoke detector companies, the smoke detectors. HR: Okay, you're saying that this ELF, which no one can hear� can you tune into it possibly with sophisticated equipment? KB: Yes, you can. HR: What kind of equipment? KB: Electronics is not my field, but there are receivers that go from 4 to 50 cycles per second. HR: Maybe one of our callers later will tell us about the technical aspects of getting this done. Okay, so go ahead. KB: So I'm talking to people all over the country (I'm on two different speaking tours right now) and they're telling me, "Gee, I'm having troubles. I'm getting stuff in my sleep like, 'Go out and do this.' Or they're trying to get me to go out and kill somebody. But my smoke detector keeps going off and waking me up." HR: Because of ELF? KB: Because of the ELF that they are bombarding them with at close range. I'm sure we'll get callers later who will tell us this because I always do when I'm on the air. HR: Can you get a detector in your hand that will tell you there are waves coming in that shouldn't be there? KB: That's a question I can't answer. I have a friend who's an electrical engineer who's been trying to figure out how to block the wave. They haven't been able to block it through lead, tin foil, you name it, even the ground. HR: You know, this reminds me of what we've done in Kosovo. Nobody ever heard of this device that knocks down all of the electricity - short circuits it. And now it's suddenly come out that the government has this device. So why wouldn't they have what you're talking about. In the three minutes we have left, what would you like to talk about? KB: First of all, I'll give you a little information about myself. I am a CIA brat so that's how we came into this knowledge. One of my relatives worked for Operation Paper Clip. Operation Paper Clip is where we brought the Nazi doctors over during World War II with the Vatican passports from Italy to Canada and into America and we basically drove them around from military base to military base training the Central Intelligence Agency. Which came out of that, Project Naomi, Monarch, MKUltra, Marionette and a dozen other code names. KB: So I got to see some things first hand, such as Mengela who was being driven from military base to military base. HR: I thought he escaped to Argentina, no? KB: Cover stories. HR: Okay, so don't believe the movie? KB: Don't believe the movie. And since my Dad and two of my uncles worked for the CIA and the OSI, we got to see a lot of things that were extremely enlightening. So I started researching and documenting things as I was growing up and started stumbling into some of this back in 1984 working with victims coming out of MKUltra and Monarch and Marionette programming. I started to see programming that was driven by microchips. HR: Back then?? KB: Yes. The lithium chips. They started putting chips into people back in 1965. Animals, very crude chips, but they were crude chips. They started putting chips in prisoners in California in '89 for control. HR: Now is this the result of German scientists? Or something else? KB: Some from German scientists... Dr. Delgado from Yale University, which created the naval Intelligence. This was back in '54 and he's one of the developers of the microchip. He started doing experiments in the '50's and had already implanted them by the mid '60's. HR: What I want you talk about in this portion� if we could get to the history here, but I wanted to give you the opportunity to let people know how to get your videotape. KB: Okay, it's Kurt Billings, Post Office Box 6018, Spring Hill, Florida, 34611 Let me touch a little bit on the highlights of the microchip because these are the questions I get asked so much. First: How can you tell if you've got a microchip? Okay, the old lithium chips, they're x-rayable. On the biochips, they're not x-rayable. They run off the alkalinity in your body as I was talking about. So what you need to do is to go out and take a Ph test, a litmus test, from either your urine or saliva. If you go to the point of alkalosis, which is 7.5 (our body is supposed to be 6.8), or the point you have acidosis and you can't get rid of it and you're eating healthy, you're a candidate for a microchip. Now, in November I got to sit down with one of the manufacturers of the microchip. I got to talk to him about a few things I had found out through different experiments. We found out that the microchip, the new one, the biochip is dissolvable. If it's not fed with it's alkalinity or acid, it will dissolve. So there are� HR: It will dissolve in the body? KB: It will dissolve in the body, it will completely dissolve. HR: So you don't even have to use a needle to inject it or anything? KB: No, no. I'm saying once it's been put in by vaccination or flu shot, and you have one. If you're running to point of alkalosis, you can't get rid of it and it's not your diet (you can get alkalosis from diet), what you do is you take acid forming vitamins and food to bring yourself back to 6.8 and drop one more to 6.7 and you leave it there for a week. The chip will dissolve if it cannot get the alkaline. That's why they have to keep spraying us. HR: What we're seeing in the air� you're saying� what I don't understand is, in Art Bell's investigations, they talk about a goo that is coming out of the planes. How does that relate to what you're talking about? KB: Some of the goo is biologicals. Some of the goo is just oil and different things. Some of the goo is pesticides. So it has a multi-purpose [?]. I'm only touching my end of it, which is the pesticides in the goo. HR: So you're saying that this is fueling the microchips. What if you never go out of your house? How do they refuel it if you never go out of the house? KB: The other thing we're seeing is the alkalinity in the water going through the roof. You'll find in a lot of your city water and some of your larger reserves, you'll find a higher and higher rate of alkaline. They're dumping alkaline in the water in the major cities. HR: Does this have anything to do with fluorides? The city I come from keeps turning it down, they refuse to fluoridate the water. KB: No fluoride's another poison. HR: It's a poison. KB: Fluoride will actually kill us. But that's another story. HR: Okay, go ahead. KB: So you have a microchip that you got from a vaccination or a flu shot and they know because they have high alkalinity or they have weird dreams or people start to speak to them, they hear voices, or otherwise, the chip can be dissolved. There is an answer. Let's touch the history here for just a few minutes. Back before World War II started, the very rich, the Rockefellers, the Rothschilds and others all put together, the Wilhelm Institute and Tavistock. Now, this is the people who started to do the original mind control experiments on the breaking of a person. What they started to do was put a person through so much stress or trauma that a person would actually split or break and you would have a personality, as they called it in psychology, split off. Between the two personalities is what is known as an amnesiac wall. So one personality doesn't know about the other personality, we're talking Multiple Personality Disorder, here. HR: Sort of like the Manchurian Candidate. KB: Exactly. So we started to create the ultimate soldiers. So they trained Himmler and Mengela and on broke World War II and they started doing the experiments. As they did the experiments, they trained the kids, the twins. You can get books the "twinning", where one twin they would have respond once they split this person, they would call this a "clean slate " and they can program what ever they want into this personality. So they would take this person and get them to do whatever they wanted by flashing a hand signal, or an audible sound, or whatever the codeword they wanted for whatever they wanted them to do. At the same time they were taking electrical wires and adding electricity and electroshock and LSD and all those different type of things. HR: So it's sort of like Pavlov's dogs? KB: Exactly, but they were doing it with humans and funded by the Rockefeller institute and George Bush's family and others. So, after WW II became Operation Paper Clip. In Operation Paper Clip, brought the Nazi doctors over and they started doing the experiments in the Presidio and 29 Palms and Area 54 and other places. HR: I know that Area 51, what's 54? KB: It's another area in the desert. Then what came out of that was MKUltra, one of the original mind control programs. They started to experiments on American soldiers and the general public and through hospitals. At the same time they were starting that, they started in Canada through Dr. Cameron. HR: Who is Dr. Cameron? KB: Dr. Cameron is the head of the Psychological Association of Canada. The CIA gave him a lot of taxpayer's money, several hundred thousand dollars, to start experiments in the Canadian mental institutions. They called it the "Sleep Chamber" and what they would do is they would take somebody mentally ill and they would split them and wall off the mental illness and basically tell them, "Your healed." So Dr. Cameron was doing experiments for the U.S. Government in Canada and started "curing" the mentally ill by walling off their illness. HR: That's certainly a positive use of it. KB: Yes� And no. I'm reading from The Colonial's Times, Nov. of 92. This is where the Canadian citizens sued the CIA, one of the only groups that ever sued the CIA and won. They proved that there was mind control. Let me give you a good example of what they did. There was a mother that was having trouble with schizophrenia. When she went to Dr. Cameron, they put her in the Sleep Chamber. And what the Sleep Chamber is, is that they put extremely heavy LSD, electroshock therapy and other psychotropic drugs for 4-5 days, split the person and wall off the schizophrenia. So when she comes out, she doesn't recognize any of her kids, her family. She lost her whole life, but she was "cured." The problem, when you wall something off, that wall starts to expand and push and eventually the mental illness creeps out again and all you've done is create a Manchurian Candidate or somebody who gets works and worse and worse. Continue to Page 2 of Transcript ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- <A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org</A> DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance�not soap-boxing�please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'�with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds�is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. 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