On Sat, 27 May 2000, Andrew Hennessey wrote:
>
> At 07:39 PM 27, 05, , 2000 -0700, you wrote:
> >I think the point is missed here Andrew. We both DON'T know that ET's
> exist, (UFO's exist absolutely) we do both know that China exists, thus
> there is a conflict and this argument does not hold water.
>
> I've never been there, to China, never touched it - seen some images on tv
> - but they can do marvellous things with photoshop these days - sure there
> are some vases and stuff but those could've been made anywhere. Spielbergs
> Dreamworks can do incredible stuff.
>
> [this is the ultimate sceptical argument by the way - first coined by
> descartes
> it is called epistemological scepticism - 'how can we know anything' its
> used a lot on 'science lists' when the sleazy unfalsifiable passengers on
> the gravy train are confronted with the paradoxes central to their lunatic
> 'scientific BELIEFS' - I use the argument here because we're all in
> rational mode - and well - its the bottom line for any sceptic - get
> familiar with it - it'll get more frequent as the scientific world view
> collapses into 'magical realism']
>
> If you are asking me to believe that because there is 'anecdotal and third
> party evidence - eg. vases that alledge that they come from a place called
> china along with a story that has some strange names in it - and you expect
> me to believe because of that that china exists - then EQUALLY - there is
> as much if not more CULTURAL THIRD PARTY EVIDENCE for EXTRA
> TERRESTRIAL/non-human culture and beings as there is for CHINA.
>
> So if you tell me that CHINA definitely exists - then Non-Human Intelligent
> life exists on this planet too.
>
> So on those simple grounds alone - if you dismiss ET's [and I think that
> there has been and still is plenty of non-human intelligent life on this
> planet] - then you cannot claim that your KITCHEN exists if you cannot see
> it at any one time.
> There are Images of Non-Human Beings worshipped, drawn, painted and
> communed with since the dawn of recorded time on this planet.
> Dismiss that evidence - and well, who needs a kitchen anyway ? :)
>
> andrew
Andrew, ultimately I must agree with the ultra-sceptical viewpoint and say that we can
know nothing. I believe that everything is ultimately illusory thus nothing exists in
an ultimate sense (for me at least). But if we cannot agree on any fundamentals then
we will never agree on the small things.
I think we both agree that UFO's are real, we just differ on what they may be.
Correct me if I'm wrong but you believe that at least some of them are being directed
by aliens from somewhere other than Earth? I say that there is no evidence that any
UFO's are of alien origin, but do not discount the possibility out of hand. Will you
admit the possibility that there are no alien driven UFO's, or are you adamant that
your view MUST be correct?
"Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, in The Matrix
"My God it's full of stars!" Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space
Odyssey
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