: The "Haredi" Zionist policies are getting more and more repulsive all : the time. They are detaching themselves from the Torah they pretend to : defend! Read the article below on the issue of serving in the Zionist : army. The "Haredi" hypocrites want everyone to believe that the : preservation of the Jewish heritage means that kids who are not : currently Torah-observant can have their lives sacrificed on the altar : of the idolatrous state while ones who are in yeshiva should benefit : from the Zionist slime and yet be made to believe that somehow their : blood is redder than that of the boys going into the Zionist army. : This is abject heresy! There is no such thing in Judaism that one : person's blood is more precious than another. Why don't they tell the : truth, than NO JEW should serve in the army of the Zionist idolatrous : regime. No one should be forced to put his life on the line to : maintain the empty dreams of the Zionist heretics, whether such person : is currently Torah-observant or not! Shame on these "Haredi" parties! : It's time to declare that they are more dangerous to the integrity of : Judaism than the non-religious Zionists!! They are causing other Jews : to sin and to be alienated from Judaism! : >Jul 3, 2000 - 12:05 PM : > Barak's Compromise Bill on : > Ultra-Orthodox Draft Pleases Few : > By Dina Kraft : > Associated Press Writer : > JERUSALEM (AP) - For the soldiers who want Jewish : > seminary students to join their ranks, it is a question of : > Israel's survival. For the ultra-Orthodox who aim to : > preserve the status quo, nothing less than the Jewish : > soul is at stake. : > The bitter debate over Israel's draft laws moved to : > parliament Monday when Prime Minister Ehud Barak : > began his attempt to shepherd a bill through parliament. : > The bill calls for seminary students to be exempt from : > military service until age 23 when it would be their : > decision to continue their studies or join the military for a : > shortened tour of service. Those for the bill argue it : > would increase the number of ultra-Orthodox soldiers. : > Monday's debate brought out frustration among many : > non-religious members who expressed their disgust : > with what they considered another sellout to the : > ultra-Orthodox politicians. : > "You're doing what you do every day, extortion and : > evasion of responsibility," thundered Yosef "Tommy" : > Lapid of the anti-religious Shinui party, shaking his fist : > at the podium in the direction of members of the : > ultra-Orthodox Shas, the main backers of the exemption : > bill. : > Previously, Jewish seminary students would apply for : > exemption from military service on an individual basis at : > age 18 and the exemptions were usually granted. : > Neither side is happy with the bill - not so surprising for : > a debate cast in existential terms so strident that even : > this boisterous political culture is reeling from the verbal : > blows. The fight is fast becoming the latest in a series of : > rifts afflicting Barak's fragile government. : > The ultra-Orthodox say that full-time study at seminaries : > is the only way to preserve the Jewish heritage nearly : > wiped out during the Holocaust, when the Nazis and : > their allies murdered six million Jews in : > German-occupied Europe between 1939-45. : > In 1949, Israel's first prime minister, David Ben-Gurion, : > exempted 400 seminary students from the draft. Today : > the number has climbed to about 30,000 full-time : > students. : > "There is no reason for one sector of the population to : > contribute everything while another does not," said Yuval : > Lester, a soldier who lost both arms in a grenade : > accident, and who has joined a protest tent across from : > Barak's office. : > The ultra-Orthodox comprise about 7 percent of a : > population of 6 million in Israel. Modern Orthodox Jews, : > who make up about 13 percent of the population, readily : > serve. Most Israeli Arabs, making up 18 percent of the : > population, are exempted from service. : > A group of soldier activists says the bill amounts to : > discrimination. While the soldiers don't expect the army : > to absorb all the seminary students, the soldiers say if : > the students do not serve in the military, they should : > have to perform some type of national service. : > "Wherever you turn, the ultra-Orthodox are eating away : > at society," said Natan Shalev, who served 38 years in : > the regular army and the reserves. "They want all the : > rights but are not prepared to serve any of the national : > obligations." : > Such talk infuriated Moshe Gafni, an ultra-Orthodox : > legislator who visited the protest tent. : > "We believe that the basis of the existence of the : > Jewish people is studying the Torah," the Jewish holy : > text, Gafni told Israel radio. "Without Torah we would : > have dispersed among the nations and would no longer : > exist." : > They say that the compulsory three years in the army : > would render impossible the intensive training required : > to master the massive Jewish text. The compromise : > would allow a shortened service followed by reserved : > duty. : > Barak met with the soldier activists on Sunday night. : > Several have been on a hunger-strike for the past five : > days. Tables were piled with petitions against the bill. : > Gafni, the ultra-Orthodox legislator, said he would vote : > for the bill despite his objections to any law mandating : > even minimal military service for the ultra-Orthodox. He : > said he worried even more about the corrosive effects : > of the debate. : > "I do not want to arrive at a civil war, I feel the tensions in : > the street," he said. : > The draft issue is just one of many dividing secular and : > religious Jews in Israel. Other divisions include funding : > for religious schools, the legalization of religious radio : > stations, and the control the Orthodox exert over : > marriage and funerals. The debates have battered : > Barak's government, and inhibited his efforts to : > conclude a peace deal with the Palestinians. : > Lester, the activist soldier whose prostheses have : > helped make him the campaign's poster boy, said the : > debate is endemic of a wider rift in his country. : > "This is about a gap between two different sectors : > which ... has left us with almost two separate societies," : > Lester said, "Ask a (seminary) student about how I live : > my life and he would know almost nothing, just as I could : > say very little about his world." <A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org</A> DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance�not soap-boxing�please! 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