My father's side and mothr's side had direct lineal descent from Knight
Templar; DeMolay was last Templar who was burnt at stake as you are
aware.
Masonic Knight Templars do not recognice Knights of Malta who lay claim
to Knights Templar as I recall.
I got this old stuff out which was convenient, and the claim was from
provoen direct descent from the Knights Templar - Hugh de Payens.
It is family tree stuff; our line on mothers side traced to Charlemagne
(who held the Spear of Destiny - the spear that pierced the side of
Christ( and as such in proving our family tree, according to Charlemagne
we are all forever Counts or Countesses also - but would have to leave
American and denouce citizenship to get it. Might be fun.
For instance, Rose Kennedy (Fitzgerald, descended from great Gerald of
Og) was Princess in Catholic Church.
So will have to do a little more digging here.
The names I have are from the first Grand Master Hugh DePayens to last,
DeMolay....
this one book then tells of the attachment to the Assassins.
These Knights after originally formed as I understand it were not to
marry, and took their bows and obligations seriously - they were like
police protection for those (Christians) enrroute to Holy Land,
guaranteeing safe passagae.
The Knights are very much alive today for as I said someday our soldiers
in WWI and WWII will be known as crusaders and incude Viet Nam and
Korea.......NATO, this bunch is something else - but it was my
understanding that my mothers side had Knight Templar descending from
Hugh de Payen and one uncle was Knight Templar in Secret Service and
other Navy man, but do not think he was Templar, only in intelligence
and instructor once at Great Lakes. All are dead and I am last of
Mohican.
Presume you have these books......but the story about laying direct
claim - documents in my possession are sealed with royal crowns....was
said we come from long line of Cavaliers not Quakers.....and thee brass
rubbings off their tombs, of Bruce and of de Creke - has date, with fee
upon the temple dog from tombs - it is forbidden now I understand to
make these rubbings. as they were wearing down.
My ancestors in America were Plantagenet, Fitzgrald, and Duke of
Norfolk, a Calvert; prior to Revolution the Duke of Norfolk wanted a
place where all religions resided in peace and they did...jews,
catholics, and protestants....do not know of any zen buddists. Also no
slaves at that time I do not believe.
During Civil War the Evergreen State Maryland, because in this one town
they would not take oath to Union they put them all in the slammer, the
Mayor the whole works.....and even the grandson of Francis Scott Keye
who had married into Fitzgerald family and it is said I bear strong
resemblance to him.
Only proof I have of documentation of claioms is seals of King and Queen
of England - signet rings, etc., and history of family which is
validataed, etc.....enough we can join the Barons of Runymead and
Heather Society and numerous other groups including the Daughters of the
Confederacy.......and also the DAR for we had them on both
sides....Maryland,was the Mother State.
So I am going to reproduce these names for you of first and last
original Knight Templars....item to note, old Hells Fire Club - Dashwood
has always signed his name with a XXII after it......there were 22 Grand
Masters....in Acts, will give you this - for you find origin of name of
certain secret societies in Acts and many other items of interest.
Well here goes the first and the last of original order; on both sides
of my family our trees descend from the old Knights Templar.....were
done in by jealousy of others....
1. Hugh de Payens elected 1118
2. Robert of Burgandy elected 1136
3. Everard de Barri elected 1146
4. Bernard de Tremellay elected 1151
5. Bertrand
de Blanquefort elected 1154
6. Philip of Naplous elected 1167
7. Ode de St. Amand elected 1170
8. Arnold de Trove elected 1180
9. Grard de Ridefort elected 1185
10 Brother Walter elected 1189
11. Robert de Sable elected 1191
12. Gilbert Horal elected 1195
13. Philip de Plessia elected 1201
14. William de Chartres elected 1217
15. Peter de Montaigu elected 1218
16. Hermann de Perigord elected 1236
17. William de Sonnac elected 1245
18. Reginald de Vichier elected 1252
19. Tmas Berard elected 1256
20. William de Beaujeu elected 1273
21. Theobald de Gaudini elected 1291
22. James de Mola elected 1297
And it is then recorded that the Knights Templar, Masonic could more
plausibly be traced than that of the Knights of Malta (in bible, Malta
is Melita and St. Paul met there and a viper wrapped itself around his
wrist.....later he met at lodge of Two Taverns....that guy had to be
something else).
Reference also made to the Assassins of which St. Paul seemingly
according to my belief, was accused of being member of same, at Melita
or Malta where the people were very kind and "hospitable".
So my claim would be direct familiy descent from the original Knights -
de Payens.
Four sources accordingly from which "masonic Templars are said to have
derived their existance, making therefore as many different divisions of
the Order":
1. Templars who claim Jhn Mark Larmeniu as the successor of James de
Molay.
2. Those who recognize Peter d'Aumot as the successor of DeMolay.
3. Those who derive their Templarism from the Count Beaujeu, the nephew
of de Molay.
4. Those who caim an independentorigin, and repudiate alike the
authority of Larmenius of Aumont, and of Beaujeu.
Now further, and this keyboard is awful for it operates on battery, this
is not a computer:
>From Prince Charles Edward and his adhrents, the Templars of the Ancient
and Accepted Scottish Rite.....and all Kings, are brothers you know....
So this book must have 1000 pages, comes in two volumes. Dated 1873.
Other books are put away safe......with old documents where they have I
remember one a beautiful picture of King Edward, mold marks show on
engraving....this book has Mohican Masonic Chief in color in it,
beautiful....for the McIntosh Indians too, I believe, were masonic.
School of Masonry for Knight of Brazen Serpent must be school of
Medicine for the symbolism is there.....those that were bit by the snake
lived....
Such a fascinating subject, but my family comes from two great lines in
history but there are millions in USA who also go back but families did
not keep records.
So claim direct descent from original Knights Templar is 100 percent
accurate; and of course, this does not mean my family was in the
original order only claims direct discent.....
But then again, all Kings are brothers.....and you will find a
Fitzgerald was at Runymead - when they put the screws to King John.
So I presume you have all this stuff.....but here is what I have, and
the rest is too much to copy.
My friend in MI6, RAF Colonel looked at one document and said meant
blood descent to Queen Victoria - but the Plantagenet line was the one
over here in USA.....symbol was a
Broom.....must mean when they clean house they clean house - all my
family dead except my chidren and one sister left......but I have most
records.
So Oscar - can proveo my pedigree to original Knights - they would not
let me in the Masons, because as my one 32 degree friend said, I did
noto have the right equipment.
So much for that. and as they said, Audi, Vide, and Tace....and be
careful casting pearls before swine, lest they trample you to death in
their ignorance.......
Goodbye Oscar.....a Priest who is friend of mine had these two beautiful
volumns of all the saints that were printed in late 1600 period with
history.....St. Cecilia, was music......and Agnes, the oldl Hells fire
club had story about Agnes.
To each his own.
A. Saba
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