All I can do right now is bow down to kiss your feet.  Your posting here was
excellent and was what I have been saying all along that people all over are
reporting the same incidents.  Thank you ever so much for printing this the
way you did and for coming up with the facts that these people on this seem
to need  Tell me how I can prove my Dad molested me for years?? Put that in
all yours' data base.  Do I count and remember all the times and write them
in a diary so I can look at them everyday of my life??  Oh, and another
thing.  I was not on this list when the OJ stuff hit.  Where was the justice
done there???   They had all the evidence and he got off scott free.  So
please tell me what about evidence that is so important to all of you in
that innocent people who are telling the truth.  Give them the upper hand if
your friend tells you a secret about her father are you going to say, show
me the proof that your father molested you otherwise I cannot believe it.
Show me.   Show me shit.




Birds
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----- Original Message -----
From: P Rehn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 6:00 PM
Subject: [CTRL] "proof"-- documenting anecdotal evidence


> Hi
> I have been reading the discussion regarding the credibility of anecdotal
> evidence of abuse, mind control, child exploitation and related issues,
> with great interest.  I would like to ask from input from this group so I
> can do a better job for ACHES (Advocacy Committee for Human
Experimentation
> Survivors).
>
> We having been compiling a database of anecdotal survivor testimony for
> several years.
> We have information from over 260 child survivors from the US and Canada
> with several new contacts per month.  We felt that the most likely way for
> anecdotal testimony to have credibility (with a larger audience) was to
> have data from as large a population as possible.  As some listmembers
have
> commented, conventional documentation will not always be available, even
> though the incidents are important and apparently widespread.  Children,
> prisoners, those confined to various institutions or military personnel
and
> their families are all populations that have little recourse for
> mistreatment, making them easy targets for exploitation and the subsequent
> dismissal of their claims.  We have received information from people in
all
> of these catagories, and plan to eventually map all survivor data,
although
> we are starting with those reporting abuse, experimentation and
> exploitation beginning during childhood.
>
> The data is being entered into a computer database and then mapped through
> time and space to find commonalities.  Data from other sources is also
> being mapped, such as professional journals, historical sources, other
> firmly documented researcher data, etc, to see what correlations may arise
> between the anecdotal evidence and the "traditional" sources.  We attempt
> to collect some basic information from each person and then additional
> information may also be submitted.  We also are scanning and creating
> archives of survivor drawings and including this graphical information in
> the database.
>
> I would appreciate any input from this group regarding our project and
your
> impressions of the credibility of information summarized from the
anecdotal
> evidence of many independent contributors.
>
> If anyone wishes to contribute to the database please write me off list
for
> details, including
> security for contributors.
>
> Thank you for your input
> Patty Rehn
> US Contact
> The Advocacy Committee for Human Experimentation Survivors
>
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