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    bay guardian interview

Bursting bubbles
Doug Henwood says mean things about the new economy.

By Christian Parenti

AUTHOR DOUG HENWOOD is something of a cult figure among left-wing brainiacs.
A former part-time merchant marine and toll collector on the New Jersey
Turnpike, Henwood was the first in his family to go to college. From there he
made it to graduate school for literature, dropped out, and almost began a
career on Wall Street ... but something went wrong, terribly wrong. Today
Henwood is America's leading radical economic journalist. His merciless wit,
fluid writing style, and uncompromising analysis have made his newsletter,
Left Business Observer, the intellectual equivalent of uncut dope, subscribed
to religiously by everyone from death row inmates to Canadian finance
ministers. Henwood's last book, Wall Street: How It Works and for Whom
(Verso, 1997), is an irreverent tour de force that demystifies the workings
of high finance. Another book, on the so-called new economy, is on the way. I
interviewed Henwood at his Spartan office in Manhattan, which overlooks one
of the last sweatshops in the garment district. Henwood calls it "a very 'old
economy' view."
Bay Guardian: What do you think of the much used term "globalization"?
Doug Henwood: I think it's very imprecise and used to mean many things. On
the left, "globalization" is used instead of "capitalism," or "imperialism,"
or some combination of the two. In some ways this is an uncritical embrace of
vocabulary that comes out of the ruling class. Look at the World Bank or
mainstream pundits: they all talk about the "inevitability of globalization."
Many on the left just take that term � whatever exactly it means � and put
negative signs in front of it. They don't really sort through what the term
itself means or what the critical approach of an oppositional movement should
be.
Also, I think "globalization" presumes a past, innocent, "localized" age when
things were nicer. And it identifies the process of internationalization
itself as the enemy rather than the capitalistic, imperialistic, exploitative
aspects of that internationalization.
Internationalism is something progressives should embrace. I thought we liked
cosmopolitanism, and intercourse of all kinds among the people of the world.
BG: So why the use of this term, "globalization"?
DH: People are very timid about using words like "capitalism" and
"imperialism." We're told they're very out of fashion now. But I don't think
a mushy and misleading substitute terminology is acceptable. People should
call things by their names and start thinking of things by their names.
Luckily, I see more of a willingness on the part of troublemakers to do just
that.
Once you start to understand capitalism, you see that it's always been an
international and internationalizing system. Maybe we can say the pace of
that has picked up, but I don't think there is anything particularly newly
international about the political economy today.
For example, levels of capital flows and international trade in the late 19th
century were by some measures higher than they are today. A hundred years ago
you had the age of outright imperialism, which was certainly a sort of
globalization. This has always been a global system, a world system. To posit
this utopia when everything was really groovy and "local" is misleading,
historically and politically.
BG: Some would concede your point but argue that the sheer quantity of
international transactions and communication has led to a qualitative shift.
DH: Certainly things have speeded up. But the shift from a world in which
information and capital could only flow at the speed of weeks � transatlantic
ocean voyages, for example � to the era of the telegraph was a much bigger
shift than anything we've seen today. That change compressed the whole world
timescale from weeks into seconds. Going from seconds to nanoseconds is
faster, but is it really more radical or important than changes in the past?
We're used to thinking in a global way because of the telegraph. We inherited
a whole way of global thinking that was created ex nihilo then. The same with
the telephone, the photograph, jet travel � these all had to do with creating
a proverbial "global village." We're not now entering some new kind of
hyperspace severed from what went before it.
And although the international movement of capital and goods may take
different technical forms today, the basic social relations of the world
economy are still very much the same. There are still owners who employ,
control, and profit from workers. There are still imperial centers dictating
policy to and demanding service from the colonized periphery. There's still
the debtor-creditor relation, which is one of dominance and submission.
BG: Where does wealth come from in capitalism?
DH: I'm very old-fashioned. I think that wealth � whatever kinds of
transformations it goes through � fundamentally originates in the
exploitation of labor and nature in the production process. So workers
produce wealth that's then expropriated � taken � by the owners of capital.
It may not be expropriated directly by capitalists the way it was in the 19th
century � often you can't point to a single plant owner and say, "I work for
him, and my work makes him rich" � but it's still the same set of social
relations.
It's a lot more institutionally complicated now; wealth goes through all
these financial markets, all these transformations from commodities to money
to stocks back to money and commodities and so on. Those who produce wealth,
say, in a sweatshop making clothes for the Gap, are geographically distant
from those who control and accumulate wealth via stocks, bonds, their trust
funds, whatever. But still, fundamentally, workers produce wealth;
capitalists and financiers expropriate it.
BG: You're finishing another book, called New Economy. Could you tell us
about that?
DH: The whole "new economy" discourse of the last three or four years � which
may be fading now that the dot-com stocks have collapsed and the economy is
looking a little recessionish � holds that computer and communications
technology have so turned the world upside down that all the old rules don't
apply. Supposedly, we've entered a period of "prosperity for all" because
governments are now powerless; finance has been "democratized"; a wonderful
"spontaneity" has moved to center stage; there's been an end to the business
cycle. Supposedly, we've entered a period of tremendous productivity growth,
and there's never been anything like it before.
In fact, there's been a lot of things like it. And the current rhetoric is
very similar to past rhetoric that's come late in long bull markets. There's
something about an exuberant stock market that leads to this euphoria about
"new eras."
The past has seen at least three such periods over the last century. Around
1900, 1901, there was a bubble craze jacked up with all the
turn-of-the-century fever: a sort of calendar superstition mixed with
technophilic exuberance. Likewise in the late 1920s just before the bust and
then in the late 1960s, there was more "new era" hype. At least the current
mania is beginning to wane as the markets sink and the dot-com roadkill
mounts.
The popular writing of all these periods is always remarkably similar. It's
this "technologically driven transformation of life that renders everything
else obsolete." There are always claims of a new era of understanding among
the peoples of the world because of new technologies. Peace, love,
understanding, and commerce.
In the 1960s the chair of the Federal Reserve, Willie McChesney Martin,
viewed the new-era rhetoric as something to worry about, as a dangerous
signal that people were too exuberant. It was too much like 1929. That's a
very antispeculative, old-fashioned central banker kind of temperament. These
days, Alan Greenspan is the leading proponent of the new economy thesis; he
promotes it at every opportunity he can get. So the exuberance has filtered
to much higher levels of the ruling class than in the past.
BG: Given this culture's hallucinatory fixation on finance and speculation,
it is worth asking a very basic question: What fueled the latest stock market
boom?
DH: I would say this bull market has had several stages. It started in August
1982, with fairly little interruption since; there was the '87 crash, but
that didn't last all that long, and by formal standards the recession that
followed wasn't too serious. So the bull market began just as the great
Volcker squeeze was ending. Paul Volcker took over at the Federal Reserve in
1979, and he almost immediately drove interest rates from around 7 percent to
over 18 to 20 percent, which created a very deep recession. The official
reason for this was to end inflation and rising wages.
Recession cured other problems as well. The commodity-producing countries
were forming cartels and driving prices higher. General rebellion was going
on in the southern part of the world. The United States had lost the Vietnam
War. There was a lot of talk of loss of imperial power. At home in the United
States there were a lot of wildcat strikes. It was a time of the "blue collar
blues," when it looked like the working class was saying "fuck you" to work,
"fuck you" to the boss. That sort of attitude was reproduced around the
world. There were strikes in Italy. A lot of worker protest and militant
action going on in Europe.
There was a famous report of inflation put out by the [Organization for
Economic Cooperation and Development] some time in the late '60s or early
'70s that described economic inflation as inseparable from the fact that
there were so many people in the streets.
BG: In other words, there was inflation not just of currency but of
expectations.
DH: Exactly! And that's what Volcker dealt with at around the same time
Thatcher took office and did the same in England. He tripled U.S. interest
rates and created a very deep recession. Then Reagan came into office,
breaking unions and promising to rebuild the imperial military machine; he
launched a mass assault on the welfare state. Discipline was reasserted:
unions were broken, and there was a general reassertion of capitalist power
over labor on a national and a global scale. This assertion of ruling-class
power, I would say, was very successful.
The recession in the early '80s scared the hell out of the working class in
the United States and around the world. The tougher attitude on the part of
the Reagan administration � the invasion of Grenada being one example �
really took the starch out of the third world's progressive talk about a "new
economic order." It was clear the United States was going into a big military
buildup and would be much more assertive militarily and politically.
All these things took hold in the early '80s. That had the effect of ending
the long slide in the U.S. profit rate which started in the early '70s. The
profit rate started rising. There was a massive upward redistribution of
income because of that higher profit rate, because of the tax and regulatory
changes here and elsewhere. From the point of view of the stockholding class,
these were getting to be wonderful times.
So the bull market at first was a very rational reaction to all this: profits
were rising, so the market would rise. It was becoming a very good time to be
an owner of capital. That set of circumstances prevailed throughout the 1980s.
BG: To use the mainstream language, stock values rose because stock earnings
rose, thus the stock market of the 1980s was rational?
DH: Yeah. Then you had that period, around '89 to '93, the George Herbert
Walker Bush years, when the economy was pretty flat and the financial markets
were sort of troubled. You had the Gulf War in there. But then after that was
over, the whole thing resumed again. And then when Clinton came to power,
aside from him raising taxes on the top percent of the population, which is
one of the few good things he did, it was clear then that there was no
political challenge at all to the rule of capital. Whatever troublemaking or
social democratic tendencies that remained in the Democratic Party had been
pretty much defeated and purged, thanks in no small part to Clinton, one of
the founders of the Democratic Leadership Council.
There was the end of any threat of a national health insurance program after
Clinton's disaster. And financial orthodoxy completely took over the
Democratic Party, so there was just no institutionalized way of resisting the
agenda of the bull market and the free traders. Wall Street and the stoc
kholding classes were very happy about that, so they continued to buy stocks.
But sometime around 1995 or so, things stopped being quite so rational and
started getting irrationally exuberant. The public began investing in a big
way. The upturn in profits slowed down � profitability numbers actually
peaked in '96, and they've been going down a little bit since then.
So the last four or five years have been mainly just the bull market feeding
off itself in classic bubble fashion. The market goes up because the market
goes up, and people have just been getting more and more exuberant and more
and more bubblish.
BG: What about the role of so-called flight capital coming from abroad in
fueling the U.S. stock market?
DH: It's certainly had an impact. The Asian economic crisis had a significant
economic role in that a lot of the capital that had been heading toward Asia
pulled out and headed toward the United States. The Mexican crisis of '94 had
a similar effect: a lot of money exited Latin America and came to the U.S.
The stagnation in Japan and western Europe has also contributed to the flow
of money here and thus overvaluation in the markets.
This tremendous inflow of foreign capital � two or three hundred billion
dollars a year for the last several years � has helped propel our expanding
economy. That's kept markets rising; it has kept consumers being able to
spend beyond their means.
And at a political, rather than a financial, level I think the effects of the
collapse of the Eastern bloc have certainly contributed to the confidence of
the capitalist class. There's no significant challenge to their rule now.
Whatever the faults of the Soviet Union, at least it was an embodiment of the
idea that you could do things differently. The loss of that alternative model
is very cheering to capitalists around the world, who use that collapse to
discredit any kind of state regulation of the economy or any remotely
redistributive policies. So it's been a great ideological boost, and
certainly Russian flight capital has injected a lot of cash: a lot of cash
came out of Asia, Latin America, eastern Europe, and the former Soviet Union
and came to the United States' stock markets. All these calamities elsewhere
have produced wonderful results for the American ruling class.
BG: Any last comments?
DH: I guess one of the more depressing aspects of political life in the last
20 years has been this absolute sense of resignation on the part of so much
of the left. But it seems to me in the last couple of years that defeatism is
being reversed. There seems to be a growing confidence. The development of
this anti-World Trade Organization, anti-World Bank movement � regardless of
my reservations about the standard analysis among many of the movement's
putative "leaders" � is just wonderful to see. And I find that in talking to
people who are involved in protest, they're really open to all kinds of truly
radical ideas. So I think maybe this very long period of reaction that we've
been living through for

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