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Nessie wrote:
>
> -Caveat Lector-
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> >Even so, I doubt that boonie towns were integrated.
>
> If the OT has any truth to it, the suppression of paganism within
> Israelite controlled territory went on for something like 800 years. To
> me this says pagans were spread around pretty widely.
Of course they were spread widely. There was only ONE group who were not
Pagans. Wanna guess?
>
> >That's my point. She either did or didn't exist, or if she did exist,
> she could have been anybody.
>
> Not just anybody, but there are a number of possibilities. What exactly
> she was, we�ll never know. Those guys who say that they do know are
> lying.
You got that right.
>
> >Poor Pagans. I guess the I guess the Jews gave them a hard time about
> burring their children and other human sacrifices.
>
> Some pagans did that. Most didn�t. The pagans best known to us for the
> practice were the Carthagenians.
Not in my neighborhood. The best known, were the Moloch worshipers.
> They were annihilated as a people by
> other pagans, the Romans.
> Romans thought the custom was disgusting,
> probably because it was something their chief rivals did.
Evidently the same didn't apply to the charms of crucifixion which
the Romans got to like very well.
> Jews of that era tended to treat their rivals harshly, falling upon
> them, smiting them, rendering them asunder and what not. They certainly
> couldn�t claim any moral high ground.
Oh yes they could. You are thinking in modern terms. Bad as all this smiting
and rending asunder was, it was nothing compared to the common cruelties of
the period.
> They weren�t very nice to each
> other, either. They stoned adulterers,
Don't knock being a stoned adulterer until you've tried it.
> for example, also juvenile
> delinquents. On the other hand, for almost two thousand years, Jews
> were arguably the most peace loving People on earth.
They had no choice. They didn't have an army.
> Most of them still
> are. But that came later.
>
> >If you mean Hellenism. Yes. If you mean something else, then not
> likely.
>
> Hellenism for sure, what else we don�t know. Persian religious thought,
> and presumably some practice, was quite popular among a large numbers of
> Jews of the time. A case can be made that portions of modern Judaism is
> are Persian grafts.
Could be.
> >This is a good observation, but consider this. James, Jesus' brother
> was
> a NAZIR. A Nazir is the ONLY instance in Jewish culture where it is
> permitted
> to put aside the commandment to be fruitful and multiply. In other
> words,
> if one dedicates his life to the service of god, he may be a monk.
>
> Good point. I hadn�t thought of that. Tell us more about the Nazir.
>
> >James was a Nazir
>
> Source on that?
Acts ( 21:18-23 ). The final showdown between Paul and James. James tells
Paul about penitents in the temple who have taken an oath upon themselves
(Consecrated=Nazir). The Nazirite oath as described in the book of numbers
and further elucidated in the Talmud.
Samson was a Nazirite too. He derived his strength from his personal holyness.
Not from his long hair. Nazirs did not cut their hair or play hide the salami.
When Delilah cut Samson's hair, it was symbolic that Samson renegged on his
oath and was no longer a 'separated one'. A consecrated one. A holy roller.
He lost his god given special power. You know the rest.
> > He apparently got some part of John the Baptist's movement.
>
> Apparently. That�s certainly what Nag Hammadi points to.
So?
> >This of course ALL speculation. But it's speculation within the correct
> framework.
>
> It�s still speculation, though. To get really beyond speculation we�ll
> need for more data to come in. Hopefully some archeologist will luck out
> and find some documentation. It�s possible. Given enough time, it�s even
> likely. Seeing it reach the mass media when it happens, is a little
> less likely. But we can hope.
I don't know. I would guess that anything found that relates to that period
would be sensational and well covered.
J2
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