-Caveat Lector- -----Original Message----- From: Joe Biles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Newsgroups: alt.assassination.jfk Date: Saturday, May 12, 2001 2:45 PM Subject: Some new Garrison records... >Below are a few of the Garrison records I've purchased recently that I'll be adding to my site >as soon as I can get my FTP client working again. (There will also be some stuff from Arch >Stanton and another outside contributor as well.) > >http://www.wf.net/~biles/jfk/ > >Joe Biles > > >News Clipping on Louisiana v. Clay Shaw > >MARINA IS ORDERED TO TESTIFY IN ORLEANS > >A Dallas judge ruled today that the widow of Lee Harvey Oswald must come to New Orleans >next week to testify in District Attorney Jim Garrison's Kennedy assassination probe. > >Texas District Court Judge John Mead told Mrs. Marina Oswald Porter at Dallas she is a >"material and neccessary witness" in the New Orleans investigation of the slaying of >President John F. Kennedy. > >Meanwhile, Thomas Edward Beckham, another out-of-town state witness sought by Garrison, >appeared at Criminal District Court here today, but his grand jury appearance was delayed >until Feb. 15. > >MRS. PORTER IS NOW SCHEDULED to appear before the jury Feb. 8 and 9. > >She appeared at the Dallas court with her husband, and would make no comment after the >judge's decision. She had previously said she would return to New Orleans "if I have to." > >The court action today was a hearing on Garrison's subpena [sic] under the interstate >agreement for return of witnesses. > >Judge Mead presented Marina with a check from Garrison's office to cover her traveling >expenses to New Orleans. > >IN THE NEW ORLEANS COURT action, Beckham, 27, asked that his grand jury appearance be >put off until he had a chance to confer with his local attorney, newly elected state >Rep. Edward H. Booker. > >Assitant DA James L. Alcock agreed to the request and Judge Matthew S. Braniff told >Beckham to appear before the jury at 9 a.m. Feb. 15 "without further notice." > >Beckham arrived in town shortly after midnight from Omaha, where a court had ordered him >to return as a material witness at Garrison's request. > >The witness will remain in town at his own expense because the delay was at his own request. > >BECKHAM WAS accompanied to court this morning by three men with pistols. One was James >Hauger, 32, who said he resigned from the OMaha police force two days ago to act as >Beckham's bodyguard. > >The other two were an unidentified brother of Beckham's and Herman Henning, who carried >credentials as an auxiliary sheriff here. Two other brothers of Beckham's were also with >him. > >... > >IN HIS ROLE as a cowboy singer, Beckham said he has an album cmoing out entitled >"Material Witness." He first described it as a "kinda party record on Garrison," but >later said it was "just a bunch of songs I've done and doesn't have anything to do with >Garrison." > >Beckham said he needed the bodyguards because he has been threatened both in Omaha and >here. He said his mother, who lives here, has had telephone calls from persons who warned >Beckham would be harmed if he appeared before the jury. > >... > >Garrison's original subpena [sic] for Beckham alleged that the singer was an associate >of the late David William Ferrie, a key figure in the DA's probe of the slaying of >President John F. Kennedy. > >THE SUBPENA [sic] SAID Beckman [sic] and Ferrie were both ordained priests in the "Old >Orthodox Catholic Church of North America." > >The document also said that Beckham was reported to be in Dallas in November of 1963, the >month the President was killed. > > > >HSCA Record #: 180-10088-10486 >AGENCY FILE #: 007271 [2 OF 6] > >STATE OF LOUISIANA > >PARISH OF ORLEANS > > AFFIDAVIT > > BEFORE ME, the undersigned authority, personally came > >and appeared: > > BARBARA REID > >who, after first being duly sworn, did depose and say: > > > I can remember walking into the Bourbon House one > >afternoon around 3:30 P.M. around the middle of September in the > >year 1963. I noticed Kerry Thornley sitting alone at one of the > >tables in the Bourbon House and I told him hello and sat down at > >the table next to him. > > I can also recall that Peter Deageano was sitting at > >the table with me eating a hamburger. I struck up a casual > >conversation with Pete and Kerry. A short time later a person > >walked into the Bourbon House and joined Kerry Thornley at his > >table. I recall associating a sense of familiarity with this > >individual as the same individual who had received some publicity > >as a Communist because of his earlier activity of distributing > >Fair Play for Cuba leaflets in front of the International Trade > >Mart in New Orleans. > > Also, I associated him as the person who was inter- > >viewed by Bill Stuckey of WDSU. > > We engaged in casual conversation for a short period of > >time and then approximately ten to fifteen minutes later, I left > >the Bourbon House. > > > > >HSCA Record# 1801007610190 >Agency File #: 008269 [Pt. 13] > >To Jim Garrison from Harold Weisberg 4/9/69 > >Interview with Tommy Baumler, Jack Burnside, Barbara Reid > > It was Grand Central Station at Barbara Reids [sic] last evening and >night. By prearrangement I met Tommy Baumler there a little before six. >He was accompanied by an attractive girl friend, Frances. > >... > > When Tommy wanted to be off the record, he either signaled me to turn the tape >off or asked me to, on the tape. Some of the times I wasn't taping, alas, because >I just didn't have enough tape. > > He delineated a self-portrait of an unabashed facist, congenital and >conscious. He is aware of the meaning of his beliefs and considers what he >describes as his beliefs as proper. He is an exponent of the rights of power. >He says that whatever happens, the Shaw case will end without punishment >for him because federal power will see to that. This, he says, will also >be the destinies of Andrews, Thornley, if he is convicted, and any others, >and he is unconcerned about the import, entirely without indignation about >injustice and the failure of justice. He was quite illuminating about Guy >Banister, said Dion Turner is his client and is legally insane, met Kerry >Thornley, but he doesn't know where, disputes Rocco di Nicholas's story >that he saw Oswald and, I think, if the occasion arrose [sic], just might help >us in some ways. He is close to Courtney and a number of lawyers representing >clients in whom you have interest. > >... > > There is reference to Philip Geraci and a camp on the other side >of the lake, strangely, as Philip's camp. I asked Tommy which of his clients >I might well see, and he asked me if I had spoken to Lewallen. > >... > > Tommy, literally, rolled rapidly over to where Barbara was sitting, took the >book from her, uttered a slight curse when he saw she had read accurately, and >immediately offered to buy it, offering a thousand dollars. This immediately recalled >to me what he had said about Banister's files and their value, about how they were >coded so they'd have no value without the code, and the inference that their value >included blackmail of his clients. > >... > > He [Baumler] spent some time describing the activities of a man he said had to >be CIA and engaged in what he wanted me to understand was a major propaganda campaign, >designed to influence public opinion here, including that of jurors and about you >personally. He described him as a "nondescript" man in two ways on different occasions, >as a working-class man and as a "middle-class" businessman. Gray hair, skin olive to >ruddy, medium height and build. Knowledge of case "tremenduous", attitude "very >antagonistic." It is Tommy's thought that if the CIA could put 500 men like him >working throughout the country, it would kill the probe. He is, according to Tommy, >"fabulous." > >... > > Tommy met Ferrie twice, once when he was talking to two army colonels in >a dining room when he [illegible] international law [illegible] airport, when he >recognized Tommy, who did not recognize him. > > Tommy says he never met Oswald, that Rocco Di Nocolas is wrong, and he >knew the source was di N. > > He did not recognize Kerry Thornley from the Times-Picayune photo printed >2/22/68 but said, "Oh, sure" (convincingly) when I showed him the picture I had, a >print made backwards, reversing the hairline. > > I have told Louis and Jim what he and Dion told me of his scheme for using >interdictions as a means of effecting draft evasion and at the same time getting >financial assistance for those interdicted. I think it is Dion who told me he has >two of the universities organized, that his fee is $250.00, that it takes six weeks. > > Although he says he had her interdicted, she says that he approached her on >it and that it has not been accompplished [sic]. Tommy told Barbara that he would do it >if she came up with the money. He made it clear to me that the purpose would be to make >it impossible for her to be a witness. > > With what has happened since and what there is grounds for suspecting, this >may have been the beginning of a strange kind of play involving her that may have >been intended as it seems, as a diversion, or as a booby-trap. I am still trying >to learn which. > > > > > >The Bernard Fensterwald / J. Gary Shaw 1981 Interview with Tommy Baumler > >[The following is from an unpublished lunch interview of Gary Shaw I wrote for the Mineral >Wells Index. Shaw resides in Cleburne, Texas, home of another newspaper published by our >publisher, CNHI. This was to have run several weeks ago, but I was laid off due to the >so-called "recession." Silly liberal media... I hope to have the notes from the actual >interview available soon.] > > One of the subjects I asked Shaw about was his 1981 interview with New Orleans >Attorney Tommy Baumler. Baumler had worked for Guy Banister, a right-winger and virulent >anti-Communist private investigator, infiltrating leftist groups on college campuses. Many >witnesses place Oswald in Banister's office during the summer of 1963. Shaw recalled vividly >the interview: > > "We spent probably a week in New Orleans looking up some of the characters > from the Garrison investigation. ... One of them was Tommy Baumler, who we > finally found. We were kind of off the beaten track and we found the house, > and we were led into the back of the house in a long room and he's sitting at > the end of a table as long as from here to there [gesturing], probably > fifteen feet long, sitting like a big frog man, you know? > > "And he never moved--I don't know whether he couldn't move or just exactly > what. But he had Lieutenants or somebody on each side of him, one of them > who had brought us in, and one who sat behind us the whole time." > > Baumler told Shaw unequivocally that "Oswald worked for Banister." He also >said that Banister was very close to Clay Shaw, the New Orleans businessman who was >tried and acquitted in 1969 of charges that he conspired to murder President Kennedy. > > > > >HSCA Record#: 180-10109-10089 >Agency File#: 002930 > >MEMORANDUM > >November 6, 1967 > >TO: JIM GARRISON, District Attorney > >FROM: ANDREW J. SCIAMBRA, Assistant D. A. > >RE: Interview with: > JOHN SPENCER > 1824 Dauphine St., New Orleans, La. > (re: KERRY THORNLEY) > >*************************************************************************** * > > Mr. JOHN SPENCER informed Jim Alcock and >me that he was the landlord at 1824 Dauphine Street [Handwritten note by >propinquity-happy Jim Garrison: "This is seven blocks from Clay Shaw's >residence."] when THORNLEY lived there with JEANNE HACK whom THORNLEY said >was his wife. He said that the night of the assassination around 8 o'clock >the Secret Service came to his door asking for KERRY THORNLEY. He informed >them that THORNLEY was at work and they contacted him at the restaurant where >he was working and took him back to the apartment and talked to him for about >2 or 3 hours. SPENCER said that the next morning the FBI also came and interviewed >THORNLEY for quite some time. About 2 or 3 days after the assassination he >said that he found a note in his mail box from THORNLEY saying, "I must leave. >I am going to Washington, D. C. area, probably Alexandria, Virginia. I will send >you my address so that you can forward my mail." SPENCER said it was quite >unexpected as THORNLEY had at least 10 days left in the month before his rent >would have been due; that from the way the note was written he got the impression >that THORNLEY was under some pressure and for some reason had to leave. > >... > > He said that after the note he went to THORNLEY's apartment which was Apt. >"C," and every bit of paper in the apartment was torn up in little bitty pieces >resembling confetti. THORNLEY had even watered down the paper so that the ink >was blurred preventing anyone from reading any part of it. > >... > > SPENCER said that THORNLEY never expressed any feelings one way or the other >about President Kennedy. 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