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June:
> >> Try doing that, and you'll soon find yourself running afoul of privacy
> >> laws in many jurisdictions...
> >
> >Curious; how do such laws apply to people walking into a business
> >establishment from a public street? Remember Tampa's camera
> >defense? Presumably, "people walking on a public street have no reasonable
> >expectation of privacy." :-)
>
>A public street is just that -- PUBLIC. One can't expect complete privacy
>when out in PUBLIC.
Precisely, but the cameras in question are aimed at people on public
streets. Once the targeted individuals enter the threshold of the
establishment at issue, the camera does not follow.
>A place of business is a PRIVATE establishment, according to the law...
Correct, and said camera persons do not enter the establishment.
They electronically monitor the comings and goings of persons onto and off
of a public street at a specified location--according to the forward anyway.
>Someone walking on a public street leading to an abortion clinic could be
>legally videotaped or filmed...
Agreed.
>but as soon as they step onto or into private
>property -- such as the property of the abortion clinic -- they could NOT be
>videotaped or filmed without their express permission.
Agreed again.
>Same thing applies if someone drives into an abortion clinic's parking
>lot, which is private property,
Not always, but point taken.
> and never steps into the street but instead exits their vehicle, crosses
> the parking lot to the clinic and enters...it would be against the law to
> videotape or film such people without their express permission to do so...
Correct.
>>From what I gathered going to the website (an unpleasant experience to say
> >the least), such footage is obtained through/by volunteers.
>
>But where are these volunteers and their cameras stationed? If they are
>outside the clinic, they are trespassing on private property.
Define "outside." "Outside" could be across the street or in a car passing
by. In any case, the street and adjacent sidewalks are not considered
private property.
> If they are out on the public sidewalk or street, they are loitering.
Presumably only if they are caught or if an issue is made of their
presence. In any case, a great deal of "footage" may be obtained in the
interim.
>If they have set themselves up in an adjacent building and are shooting
>footage out of a window, who is paying the rent?
I do not know, but this is an interesting proposition :-)
> >Passers by either on foot or by car?
>
>Then they would not be able to constantly videotape or film the people going
>into and leaving the clinic.
Agreed. I'm not completely certain what they hope to gain by this activity
in the first place. If abortion clinic patrons were that worried about any
potential social stigma attached to getting abortions, they'd come up with
alternate plans (like going to a clinic within a larger building such as a
hospital or medical complex). Doing so would offer an immediate solution to
the privacy issue.
> >> else they could be easily removed as it would be
> >>an issue of trespassing on private property.
> >
> >Only if charges were raised by property owners.
>
>If they are on the clinic's property, one assumes that the clinic wouldn't
>hesitate to press charges.
Agreed. Hence the best solution to the issue in general: place such clinics
within larger buildings which have functions other than the specific
purpose of providing abortions (hospitals, shopping malls, etc.).
>One also suspects that every other business in
>the adjacent vacinity wouldn't hesitate to press charges against such
>obnoxious trespassers, also...
Agreed!
> >Yes, for private citizens. From what I understand, the line between public
> >figure and private citizen is a blurry one at best.
>
>But a public figure still has a reasonable right to privacy in most cases.
Most cases? These cases/exceptions are? Precedent would be helpful.
>I couldn't set a webcam up in every toilet in the White House and argue that
>I have a First Amendment right to do so because George W. Bush is a 'public
>figure'...
Except where such placement threatens personal or national security, why
not? I'm not serious, of course, but this particular facet of law
fascinates me. What separates public figures from private individuals? At
what point is the former not the latter? Do we determine this by function?
>And what is being done with this anti-choice
Your anti-choice is their anti-infanticide. No one wins in a battle of
rhetoric.
> webcam is NOT involving public
>figures, but private citizens...
Agreed, but such may not be relevant given the place where such
observations are taking place.
Edward ><+>
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