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On Sat, 1 Sep 2001, Saba wrote:
>A report was also given to media that this man wanted to give up but
>only if they promised not to kill or hurt his dog - this statement was
>made several times.
I didn't hear about him wanting to give up if they promised not to hurt
his dog (not that I'm saying he didn't)...what I heard was that there MAY
have been at least one dog in the house, because the neighbors said that
he had one, maybe two dogs, that he claimed were part of the 'canine
unit' he was part of...
And it seems to me that even if the guy didn't want to give himself up,
he'd at least make sure the dogs got out...and especially if, as Saba
says, he made it a point to ask that his dog or dogs not be hurt...
Amelia mentioned that it would seem impossible anyone could have escaped
from the building while the helicopters were buzzing overhead...
But if you remember, for almost an hour the only shot we got from the
helicopter was from the rear of the house...from that angle, one could
only see the rear end of the car that was parked just outside of the
garage, a car that was pulled right up to the garage door. One of the
reporters mentioned this, and was told by the helicopter reporter that
the police banned them from filming from any angle except the rear of the
house...
Which seems pretty strange...
And then suddenly the helicopter was allowed to move to the front of the
house...we were told that shortly before that, that the garage door had
'mysteriously' opened and then closed again...
Why would the helicopters be banned from the front of the house until
after the garage door somehow opened and closed again? What was it we
weren't supposed to see?
Conceivably someone could have been hiding under one of the vehicles in
the garage, and crawled under the vehicle in the driveway when the door
opened...
Of course, maybe the door opened and closed again because the fire at
that moment shorted out the connection...
But if someone DID leave the garage at that moment, supposedly someone
stationed out front would have seen -- and if they did, why wasn't it
announced that someone had left the building and ostensibly been taken
into custody?
Whatever it was, it's obvious that we, the public, were NOT meant to see
something until a certain point of time...for some reason we were
precluded from seeing the front of the house until shortly after this
mysterious garage door opening and closing incident...
It's just another of many discrepancies in this story...
>The neighborhood they are quick to note was half million dollar homes -
Actually one of the reporters stated that he had looked to buy in the
area a few months earlier, and that the houses ran for just under $1
million...either way, we're not talking trailer park here...Beck had to
have some sort of lucrative income to be able to afford either a mortgage
or rent for the place...
>however, the constructin looked cheap and shoddy
I don't know about that...after the roof collapsed, and the fire had
broken thru the floor to the lower story, one could still see many
interior walls on the upper level still standing...it looked as if they
were built out of something more than just sheetrock and 2-by-4s...
>I watched a portion of it at the beginning but this woman - claimed she
>had called the Federal Marshalls office to complain because she thought
>he was not a marshall .....so the began to investigate few days before
>the incident.
I heard that woman, also...she actually said that 'they' -- meaning she
and a couple of neighbors -- got suspicious about a month ago, and 2
other neighbors had actually started calling around to the U.S.
Marshalls' etc. about 2 or 3 WEEKS ago, at which time they found out that
the U.S. Marshalls don't have a canine unit, as Beck allegedly claimed.
If you listened to this woman carefully, it wasn't clear whether Beck had
actually ever SAID he was anything, only that somehow the neighbors were
led to believe he was something he presumably was not, and Beck didn't
try to change their beliefs...
But later on, during one of their press conferences, a BATF spokesman
said that had actually been investigating Beck for three MONTHS....if
this is indeed true, then it would seem that the neighbors' nosing around
into Beck's background initiated yesterday's events, but did not actually
'alert' the BATF to anything they already didn't know (altho perhaps the
U.S. Marshalls' were in the dark)...
One would have to wonder WHY these neighbors took such an inordinate
interest in Beck and the truthfulness of his alleged occupation...if Beck
was the unasuming guy that all these interviewed neighbors said he was,
seems to me most people would never think to start calling around to find
out if he really was a U.S. Marshall or not....
So my guess is that Beck said or did something about a month or two ago
to tweak the interest of these neighbors enough that they started calling
around to verify his background...or that one of these neighbors is
actually either an undercover agent or an informant, a possibility made
more likely if the BATF actually has been investigating Beck for 3 months
or longer...
It would be interesting to take a look at anyone in this neighborhood who
moved in AFTER Beck moved into the neighborhood...
>Something wrong here - one thing - so worried about the other houses
>catching fire?
But not so considerate of the neighbors as to wait until Beck left his
house and arrest him while he was out grocery shopping or getting his
hair cut...Beck allegedly had this stockpile of weapons and ammunition,
but they decided to confront him at his house at the same time neighbors
would be going to work and to school and could have been easy targets
of stray bullets...
>This woman who spoke on the phone if what she said was true it is
>because of her this man died as he did - she reminded me of the kid at
>Littleton who called CNN rather than 911 to get on the air.
Yes, I wondered about all those neighbors yesterday who were so willing
to get on the air with reporters...
Maybe attitudes are different in California, but I doubt that in this
situation they're that different...unless Beck was doing something
extraordinary to BOTHER the neighborhood -- which none of these
interviewed neighbors claimed, all of them mentioned what a nice guy Beck
was -- then one had to wonder why they decided to stick their collective
noses into his business.
Most people don't want to get involved. One has to question why these
people did.
>Wonder if the guy did shoot the officer or was it friendly fire?
I wonder the same thing...why shoot a deputy who is pulling up in front
of the house, when 2 cops are standing on your front doorstep serving a
warrant? Doesn't make any sense on Beck's part...
Keep in mind that same babe you mentioned who talked to reporters about
being 'suspicious' of Beck, also said she only heard 2 or 3 shots, not
the 'hundreds of rounds' the authorities claim Beck fired. This woman
neighbor said that the 2 or 3 'pops' -- which she first thought were
firecrackers -- prompted her to look out her window, at which time she
saw the wounded deputy in the street. She said she also watched while
other officers removed the wounded deputy.
She never mentioned other shots being fired -- specifically while the
wounded deputy was being removed. If Beck was the crazed gunman the
authorities are painting him as, why wouldn't he have sniped at the
officers retrieving the wounded deputy? Why shoot the deputy and not the
officers on the doorstep?
The deputy pulled up on his motorcycle AFTER the 2 agents had gone to
Beck's door to serve the warrant...I suspect that the unfortunate deputy
was the victim of an agent's overanxious finger on a trigger, surprised
by the sudden arrival of the deputy after all other agents -- both
federal and local -- were in place. All the other agents just hear a
shot, see a fellow officer go down, and presume it was Beck who fired and
not a fellow officer....
Of course this would never be admitted to the public...
June
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