-Caveat Lector- Wel would have rather liked a statue of General Robert E. Lee, or maybe General Nathan Bedford Forrest........
Maybe this statute of General Pike has a different meaning? A call to arms - to arms? For, he called the South a federation rather than a confederation.....Obadiah in the bible which rather hints at the basis of the song Dixie, speaks of a confederation? So Lee surrendered - the South, did not.....so here is the only thing I could find on Pike and the word federation and confederation - and I think I see the light why this bastard got a statute and Jeff Davis was put in prison...... Interesting item here - no doubt the Jews want a Federation - the root of all greed and evil? The Arabs want a Confederation and they ain't just whistling Dixie here - why do I hear a bell ringing - think Steve is onto something..... Saba Israel and the Middle East What About Confederation? Daniel J. Elazar Hovering over and in part embodied within the agreements concluded between Israel and the PLO and Jordan is the idea of the confederation of the Palestinian entity to emerge in the territories with Jordan. This idea was given emphasis by the Palestinians in seeking support for Israeli concessions and Jordan has cautiously responded to it in a positive manner. The proposed federation or confederation, and it is mostly the latter, to which the Palestinians refer, would be entirely detached from any connection with the State of Israel. There has been much excitement, at least among Israeli journalists, about these proposals. As one who has advocated a federal solution as the only realistic one to bring peace to the historic land of the twelve tribes, or British mandatory Palestine, now divided between Israel, Jordan and the territories in between where the Palestinians seeking statehood live, I believe it necessary to point out some pitfalls to the Palestinians' proposal before Israelis get too excited about it, and as we enter into a new round of negotiations based upon the agreements signed between Yitzhak Rabin and Yassir Arafat in Washington on September 13. First, the bottom line of what the Palestinians are proposing is confederation between "Palestine" and Jordan. Both confederation and federation are federal solutions, but there is a great difference between the two. In the kind of confederation the Palestinians are proposing, the constituent units would be sovereign states who retain their sovereignty. The general government serving the confederation is one of very limited powers, almost entirely dependent upon its constituent states who have either the first word or the last word on all matters of governance. A confederation could easily lead to separation and the establishment of a separate Palestinian state west of the Jordan with no constitutional way to prevent that. A federation, on the other hand, establishes a new state in which powers are constitutionally divided between the general government and its constituent units, but which cannot be altered by the constituent units acting unilaterally. Were the Palestinians proposing such a connection between "Palestine" and Jordan, that could be considered by Israel as possibly reducing the security threat which a separate Palestinian state would pose, but they are not. Second, apparently there is no place in the Palestinian proposal for a permanent constitutional connection with Israel. This means that Israel would have to relinquish all of its rights to any territory turned over to the new Palestinian-Jordanian confederation. Were the Palestinians and Jordan to enter into a federation which would then be confederated with Israel so that the kind of limited general government that confederation provides would be used to secure the limited rights that Israel cares to retain in the territories - the protection of Israeli settlements within them and other Israeli security concerns - then Israel would have something to consider. The two Arab entities would be one, a new state in which the Palestinians would have a major share and which would be constitutionally required to stay together, while far more limited arrangements would link Israel with it for the protection of all parties. There is much in the new agreement that offers the possibility for both kinds of linkage. It may be that the terminological emphasis of the Palestinians on confederation with Jordan and joint authorities with Israel is merely symbolic so as to avoid the limits of the term federation in describing the future relationship of Jordan and confederation to describe their future relationships with Israel. If so, it may remain at that level. But if the Palestinians really understand the difference, they are leading us down a path that most Israelis do not want to take. Federation and confederation conbined is the kind of federal solution that Israelis should be considering and that the Israeli government should be advocating. That, indeed, is the kind of federal solution that the American government has hinted that it would support. Indeed, George Shultz in his memoirs claims that this was the policy of the Reagan administration. I have good reason to believe that he is stating the truth and that it was Israel that upset the applecart on that issue when Shimon Peres came out publicly for a different kind of solution based on the Jordanian option, as he presented it back in 1986, when he turned the premiership over to Yitzhak Shamir and immediately tried to get back in power by one means or another. Both federation and confederation are good words, peaceful words, that speak of mutuality and cooperation as well as mutual protection. They may describe the best forms of government for the resolution of the heart of the conflict in this area, but if so, they must be used correctly and applied to all parties if they are applied at all. Elazar Papers Index / JCPA Home Page / Top of Page Now the word confederacy is only in three chapters in the bible, once in Obadiah, and this in Isaiah which made me wonder - you know this one "arab muslim" had strange name, said was Muslim anyway - but a muslim with first name Zecharis is unusual and you almost find word Ramallah here, etc. but this this is the geography book for all the gold and all that good stuff OIL OIL OIL OIL This is the stuff of which Civil Wars are made and the South - well nobody ever forgave the Yankee butchers in my family - one was so outraged he joined Jesse James and the Knight of the Golden Circle.......used to rob banks and trains - and wouldn't you know a guy name Ford nailed Jesse in the back.....maybe Albert Pike counterintelligence, double eagle and all that - two faces, Janus...... So here is the important link to Israel and we see the difference between a federation and confederation? Saba The King James Bible at the Electronic Text Center, University of Virginia Isaiah, chapter 8 "1": Moreover the LORD said unto me, Take thee a great roll, and write in it with a man's pen concerning Maher-shalal-hash-baz. [Now there is a cult built around this name, is Japanese and they were banned to UK - do not have much on them but found one itiem which I will forwrd maybe Nakano might understand this - but they were tossed out of Japan or USA not sure.....Saba Note - but we are dealing with codes and watchwords.....and this might be the oriental link for which I looked but who knows......but it is the conspirators and saboturs communication system - saba note) "2": And I took unto me faithful witnesses to record, Uriah the priest, and Zechariah the son of Jeberechiah. "3": And I went unto the prophetess; and she conceived, and bare a son. Then said the LORD to me, Call his name Maher-shalal-hash-baz. "4": For before the child shall have knowledge to cry, My father, and my mother, the riches of Damascus and the spoil of Samaria shall be taken away before the king of Assyria. "5": The LORD spake also unto me again, saying, "6": Forasmuch as this people refuseth the waters of Shiloah that go softly, and rejoice in Rezin and Remaliah's son; "7": Now therefore, behold, the Lord bringeth up upon them the waters of the river, strong and many, even the king of Assyria, and all his glory: and he shall come up over all his channels, and go over all his banks: "8": And he shall pass through Judah; he shall overflow and go over, he shall reach even to the neck; and the stretching out of his wings shall fill the breadth of thy land, O Immanuel. "9": Associate yourselves, O ye people, and ye shall be broken in pieces; and give ear, all ye of far countries: gird yourselves, and ye shall be broken in pieces; gird yourselves, and ye shall be broken in pieces. "10": Take counsel together, and it shall come to nought; speak the word, and it shall not stand: for God is with us. "11": For the LORD spake thus to me with a strong hand, and instructed me that I should not walk in the way of this people, saying, ********* "12": Say ye not, A confederacy, to all them to whom this people shall say, A confederacy; neither fear ye their fear, nor be afraid. ************* "13": Sanctify the LORD of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread. "14": And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem. "15": And many among them shall stumble, and fall, and be broken, and be snared, and be taken. "16": Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples. "17": And I will wait upon the LORD, that hideth his face from the house of Jacob, and I will look for him. 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