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From: "Michael Rivero" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Dick Eastman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 2:29 PM
Subject: RE: New evidence: The 11/12 crash? Look at the 11/31 NY crash in 1999 for the answer. Then rethink 9-11.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dick Eastman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 9:38 AM
>
> > Friday's USA Today article, 11/16, p. 3A, by Alan Levin, tells
> > us everything we need to know.
>
>
> No it doesn't because photographic evidence you can see at
>
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/airbus.html
>
> Airbus uses a lamination method to build the vertical stabilizer,
> a method avoided by both Boeing and Douglas because of a high potential for
> the stabilizer to tear loose in flight, causing the exact sort of crash we
> saw with the Airbus.
>
> Mike
 
Mike

I don't know anything about this, but I do trust that you know aviation.  Now, given that design weakness, would that not make the tail fin a likely target for a remote-controlled fin-banging "swinging gate" attack?  And might we not also be looking for a Brit among the perpetrators? 
At any rate, I am sending out our two letters (my first experiment with HTML rich text) prefaced with something of Joe Vaills received from a list.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
     The Crash of American Airlines Flight 587 in Queens
      Hard Scientific Evidence Proves the United States
      Government is Desperately Trying to Mislead the
       American Public   
                            copyright Joe Vialls  
 
  What cannot be explained away by the NTSB
or FAA is how or why the stabilizer parted company
 with the aircraft at precisely the point where it joins
the fuselage proper. Look at the enlarged photograph
very carefully. There are absolutely no dents, scratches,
on the leading edge or on the panels. This proves the
vertical stabilizer was not struck by any other object,
in turn proving it was the first component to detach
from the aircraft.  Trickier still for the NTSB, FAA and
Airbus Industries, will be explaining to the general public
 why, with prima facie evidence proving catastrophic
separation along a critical attachment line, the FAA and
Airbus Industries failed to immediately ground all Airbus
A300-600 models worldwide. This in order to conduct
black light inspections of the stabilizer spars, panels,
attachment pins, bolts and other critical components.
       Not only is grounding of this nature a normal
operating procedure, it is also a legal requirement.
Most readers will remember that all Concorde aircraft
were grounded for more than a year after the crash
of Air France 4590 at Paris. Concorde’s grounding
was based mostly on speculation, and partly on trivial
circumstantial evidence, flimsier by far than the
prima facie evidence already existing in the case of
American Airlines Flight 587. In order not to ground
all Airbus A300-600 series, the NTSB, FAA and Airbus
Industries would have to be convinced that the reason
for the crash of Flight 587 was strictly unique, a one-off
that could not occur under similar flight conditions to any
other Airbus A300-600 worldwide. The only reason
unique enough to fit this requirement is an act of terrorism.
      Currently the US Government is fixating on the co-pilot
of Flight 587 noting “wake Turbulence” from a Japanese
 Airlines 747 ahead of them. The media has already taken
its cue and is drawing  elaborate diagrams of the Airbus
A300-600 tearing itself to pieces in the “tornado-like” wake
left behind the JAL 747. This is absolute rubbish, perhaps
best illustrated by some of the higher forces all aircraft are
designed to withstand.

       Decades ago I flew "box" in a close aerobatics formation
of four Mach 2 fighters. Basically this is a "Diamond Four",
where the "boxman" is located at the back centre of the
diamond, slightly behind and slightly below the leader, with
the two wingmen on either side. Though located slightly below
 the leader to minimize discomfort from his wake turbulence,
our vertical stabilizer was intermittently battered by a full 20,000
pounds of thrust from his twin turbojet engines, at a range of
only 100 feet, at speeds up to 400 miles per hour. Sure it was
uncomfortable, but do you really believe we would have done
it at all, if there was the slightest chance of the vertical stabilizer
falling off?    
       Though wake turbulence can be hazardous at times,
it really only poses a serious threat to tiny lightweight
aircraft like two-seat Cessna and Piper trainers. The notion
 that the residual wake turbulence from a jumbo one and
a half miles on front of American Airlines Flight 587, could
have torn its vertical stabilizer off, is absurd. If that were
even remotely possible,  most of the world’s fleet of "heavy"
 jets would have crashed years ago.
      Marion Blakey, chairwoman of the NTSB, said an initial
listen to the Cockpit Voice Recorder (CVR) found nothing
"to indicate a problem that is not associated with an accident."  
 What kind of politically correct double-talk is this? In order
 to include the possibility of a terrorist act, Ms Blakey
 presumably requires a voice with a heavy Arab accent
saying: “I have a fruit knife in my jacket pocket Captain;
crash this aircraft immediately or I will kill you…”
      But what else could bureaucrat Marion Blakey say?
 One is reminded of the words of George Orwell, which
now seem to mock us from the grave: "During times of
universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."
 
The author is a former member of the Society of Licensed
Aeronautical Engineers and Technologists, London
 
 
This page is a Mirror of the original at Joe Vialls site that keeps being blocked by Geocities.
=================================
 
Item Two:
 
 
"Michael Rivero," the journalist behind www.whatreallyhappened.com , has
comments on a post concerning the 
11/12 crash of AA-587:
 
Mike Rivero's letter:
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Dick Eastman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 
> I am convinced that no one was knowingly on a
> WTC suicide mission. The 4 planes were all taken
> over by remote control on 9-11-10 after the
> hijackings were begun.
 
I agree but I doubt remote control was needed. The same
thing could be accomplished by a hidden program
inside the aircraft flight directors. Tell the
hijackers to fly the planes back and forth over
Manhatten so that they are seen and videographed,
then as soon as the planes' GPS systems
detect they are in the right area the flight
director takes over and flies the planes into
the targets, before the hijackers
realize what is going on and can stop it.
 
Had remote control been used, there would have
been too much time for people on radios, aircraft
cabin phones, or even cell phones to get the message
out that the planes were flying themselves. It had
to happen in the space of a few seconds.
 
  And, having the aircraft under the control of
the flight directors at the end explains the
extremely high proficiency the pilots appeared
to have in those final extreme maneuvers.
 
Mike
======================
 

Hello Mike,
 
On page 3A of Friday's (11/16) USA Today
there is an article by reporter Alan Levin
which tells  us everything we need to know:
 
1.  A sudden swing of the rudder, far beyond
   the normal range, caused the tail of  the
   Airbus A300 to tear off.
 
2.  The "aviation experts"  report that the
   plane flew through turbulence from another
   aircraft twice.  But they don't say how they
   know this unusual turbuleence was there.  I
   think they are merely deducing its existence
   from the behavior of the plane, and they are
   doing that because they are not permitted to
   reach the more reasonable conclusion.  (If
   the "experts" want to appeal to
   catastrophe-theoretic mathematics, which says
   that a butterfly's wing flap can, through
   nonlinear complex causation, result in a
   hurricane a year later, it is obvious they are
   grasping and covering their failure with spurious
   appeals to the totally inapplicable science.
 
3. But wait!  What are they using "turbulence"
   to explain?
 
   "According to the flight data ...  It then
   began a series of unusual sideways movements
   that slammed passengers back and forth."
 
   There you have it, Mike.  It all began when
   the rudder began a successession of extreme
   right-left-right-left-right etc. swings, i.e.,
   yawing, but then slamming against the yaw with
   an opposite force -- the same thing you would
   do if you were trying to break a piece of loose
   metal sticking out of a wall, i.e., push back
   and forth until the molecular bondings are
   sufficiently broken and it comes off in your hand.
   The vertical fin finally just tore off.
 
4. When the rudder was gone, the remote sabateur
  began playing with the flaps, ailerons and
  elevators:
 
   "At one point it turned 10 degrees to the
   left in one second.."
 
Then we come to this:
 
"Finally the jet banked to the left, even
though data indicate the pilots were trying
to move it the opposite direction."
 
This sounds too much like the EgyptAir pilots where were trying to do one thing in the cockpit while the plane was being made to do something entirely different by override controls elsewhere.
 
Finally the phantom controllers decided to end the game:
 
"The nose dropped down, then the recording ended, said Marion Blakey, chairwoman of the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)."
 
Yes, of course, the NTSB.  This is the same investigative agency that insisted that the Egyptian co-pilot suddenly decided to commit suicide while the pilot was visiting the toilet -- a story that the voice recordings does not support (when the pilot got back both were trying to save the plane, both were discussing the fact that the plane was not responding to controls.
It looks like Marion Blakey is complicit along with whoever manages her.)
 
Then, exactly as in the EgyptAir crash, the voice recorder clicked off -- the evesdropping remote controller didn't need to hear any more and didn't want us to hear any more.  Both the planes power and the self-contained battery gave out -- exactly as with the New York to Cairo Egypt Air flight on 11/31/99.
 
Levin has more on this:
 
"Later in the recording, data about the rudder became 'unreliable,' Blakely said, possibly indicating the moment when the tail shook loose.  Shortly afterward, an even more intense sideways movment was recorded.  Within 2.5 seconds, the jet began spiraling to the left, and the recorder stopped...."
 
Oh, wow! In other words, Mike:  'If the data doesn't fit the pre-determined conclusion, just throw it out.'
 
The "experts" claim some kind of metal fatigue on the "composite-materials" alloy in the tail assembly, and so the Federal Aviation Administration will now require new inspections to make sure that turbulence from nearby Japanese flights will not tear off any more tails.  [Yet, from another article on the same page, we learn that the National Transporation Safety Board doesn't know what it is talking about.  " 'The board has no real expert in composite materials,' says Greg Feith, a former NTSB investigator who handled hundreds of of incidents and accidents during more than 20 years with the safety board."   And from an other article we learn that Marion Blakey is now to her job, being "a career Washington bureaucrat and lobbyist" (for whom?) she is getting her "on the job training" with total authority of these critical investigations -- and newsgroup hecklers  have called you unqualified, Mike, when you were right all along about the missile that brought down  TWA ###.  And little Marion gets closure and will probaly have her story told in Readers Digest.  The establishment gets closure.  The phantom saboteur remains scott free and unintimidated by Maion Blakey. (Ever been in a bureaucracy with lots to hide, Mike?  I have.)
 
Unwilling to draw the forbidden conclusion Blakey claims that the data recorder simply does not indicate what caused the jet's tail to break apart or the craft to suddenly enter  a steep dive, or to send its engines flying off.  Yet isn't it obvious?  Consider:
 
The "phantom" (i.e., remote) controller  first started controlling the rudder, back and force, continuous extreme stresses on the tail, force in one direction followed by force in the opposite direction, until the tail fell off.  Then they played with the ailerons for a while and then they put the plane into a dive.  And while the plane was diving at full throttle, they put the flaps and ailerons both down putting such drag on the plane that the engines, still pulling hard,  just snapped the bracking of the engine pods.
 
The article even quotes NTSB's deputy chief admitting that the turbulence waves encountered were "relatively minor" --  in other words, they are grasping at straws, Mike, at catastrophic butterflies!
 
Clearly it was just was coincidence that the puffs of turbulence from the nearest plane were sensed by the recorders when, as
 
"the data suggests .. the jets rudder, a panel at the rear of the veritcal tail fin that pilots use to turn the jet's nose right and left, began moving dramatically after the second [puff of turbulence]."
 
Yet the story reveals multiple slams from the rudder in different directions
.
 
" 'This is really slamming things around sideways," said John Purvis, a former accident investigator with Boeing.

   "The movement of a rudder is one of the few things that can trigger such a force on a jet."
 
Now read carefully this next paragraph from Levin's story --  see the spin and look for the source:
 
"It is possible that pilots made the rudder move intentionally or by accident.  Once source familiar with the investigation said that preliminary evidence from the data recorder suggest that one of the pilots pushed the pedels that control the rudder.
But aviation experts say they doubted that pilots would do such a thing.  At that point in the flight, pilots rarely move the rudder at all, they said."

[Mike, I must acknowledge that Alan Levin is a fine reporter and it shows here  -- Levin  didn't contradict the unnamed source who was trying to put official spin on the story -- but Levin did balance it with some objective reporting of his further investigative digging.  Cudos to Alan Levin!]
 
NOW GET THIS --THE FROSTING ON THE CAKE:
 
Levin ends his story with this account of the history of another A300 episode with unaccountalbe rudder problems. Tell me if this doesn't sound like a test run of the saboteur's remote control-capture system:
 
"The rudder on an A300 owned by American Airlines moved several times during a flight in 1999, causing the jet to move 'side to side' as it prepared to land in Miami, according to a report by the NTSB.  The rudder movements were 'extreme,' the report said, but the pilots landed safely....
 
"The NYSB has yet to determine what caused the rudder problem in 1999.  It's unclear whether such a malfunction could have caused the problem on Flight 587."
 
Come again?  What malfunction?  No malfunction has been identified, no explanation given for either plane.  All that this new information does is discount the turbulence theory and the pilot error theory.
 
(I'm going to share our letters.  Hope you do the same.)
 
You are the man who, by your example, showed me the possibilites of newsgroups, a few years back and I have never thanked you.
 
With gratitude,
 
Dick Eastman
Yakima, Washington
Every man is responsible to every other man.
 
 
In the above reference is made to this letter:
 
From:  Dick Eastman
Subject: The sabotage of New York-Cario flight EgyptAir flight 990, on 11-31, 1999.
 
 The hijackers, never suspecting a suicide mission,  were "stung," by (CIA?, Mossad?, renegade Mossad?, Mafia?) infiltrators posing as al Qu'eda field leaders on a mission under orders from bin Ladin.  It was infiltrators of al Qu'eda who gave the long-waiting Qu'eda moles the right activation passwords and a set instructions to set a  hijacking in motion  -- but later, when the ordered hijacking was underway  the infiltrator handlers on the ground (offshore?, in an AWAC?)took remote control of the planes,  turning them into cruise missiles.  (The infiltrators were most likely Mossad and not CIA because the the Israeli government has told us that the U.S. has no infiltrators in Central Asia and is dependent upon Mossad for all of its on-the-ground intelligence there.
 
I am convinced that no one was knowingly on a WTC suicide mission. The 4 planes were all taken over by remote control on 9-11-10 after the hijackings were begun.
 
The FBI has uncovered letters of the hijack suspects indicating that they were expecting to be arrested following the hijacking, that the hijacking was understood by the "set-up" hijackers to be a relatively harmless operation to draw attention to some cause.
 
But the hijackers themselves were being misled as part of a grand counter-espionage sabotage frame-up sting.  They were not aware that they were taking orders from Mossad agents and not Qu'eda  (some even suggest that the bin Laden himself may be a double agent in his own organization, based on his prior CIA ties and the current economic ties of his family with both Presidents Bush.
 
Crashbombing by Remote Control
 
And this was not to be the first time that a passenger jet was crashed by remote sabotage --
 
EgyptAir 990 was crashed in a "test" for the WTC operation,  on Halloween morning, 11/31/99.
 
On November 31, two years ago, , EgyptAir flight 990, a giant Boeing 767 took off from New York's JFK Airport bound for Cairo Egypt with 100 Americans and 87 Egyptians aboard.
 
The takeoff had been successful and routine, but at one half hour into the flight, at 1:48:30  ----at a moment when the pilot left the controls for a trip to the toilet  and the co-pilot was left in the cockpit alone -- an English voice can be heard on the black box recorder saying "control it" (the co-pilot was Egyptian and had not been speaking English with the pilot that morning) -- when suddenly, one must conclude,  control of the plane taken from him,i.e., the cockpit controls were bing overridden.  -- After some seconds the co-pilot, reacting to his losse of control to a phantom controller, says, "I'm trusting you Jehovah" (or "I'm in your hands, Jehovah") - "Tawakkalt ala Allah.")
 
The co-pilot then attempted to disengaged the auto-pilot to restore control.  Control was not restored.  The co-pilot again reacted with this prayer exclamation as the elevators dropped putting the plane into a dive.  After sixteen seconds of this dive the Captain returned to the cockpit asking "What happening?  Whats happening?"  Now captain and co-pilot were presumably working to pull out of the dive, but the controls were not responding and now the throttles turned up to full forward  -- at which point the co-pilot cut the fuel lines.  Then by phantom control  the right and left elevators each moved all the way in the opposite directions and the ailerons on both wings both went fully up.    The pilot cried "Get away in the engines!  Shut the engines!"  To which the co-pilot replied,  "It's shut."  The last words are those of the captain frantically instructing "Pull!  Let's pull!  Let's pull!"  At this point something shut off the instrument recorders (or they were later erased).
 
The American investigation said that the co-pilot committed suicide, with the Egypt AIr and the Egyptian government insisiting that that is an impossible interpretation of the audio message.  The Egyptians -- who understand the language -- insist that that is an impossible interpretation of last moments of conversation recorded or of the earlier conversation at takeoff, and that the co-pilot gave no evidence of emotional instability.
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