-Caveat Lector- this is the 5th in a series...this originally came as one giant email which was a response to a question i posed to my little birdie, namely: "promis+waco=?"
------------------------------------------ Reno Planned Final Assault with Delta Force Operatives Crime/Corruption Breaking News News Keywords: WACO, JANET RENO, DELTA FORCE Source: WorldNet Daily Published: August 28, 1999 Author: Betsy Gibson Posted on 08/28/1999 05:56:05 PDT by dawnal SATURDAY AUGUST 28 1999 Reno planned final assault with Delta Force operatives Classified documents, Special Forces sources show military warned her about use of CS gas By Betsy Gibson � 1999 WorldNetDaily.com Contrary to public statements made in recent days, Attorney General Janet Reno and FBI officials planned the final deadly assault on the Branch Davidian church in Waco, Texas, with top officers of the Delta Force, according to classified documents obtained through the Freedom of Information Act and Special Forces sources. The FBI actually requested that Special Forces Delta Force operatives consult with them, be present on the scene and maintain equipment in preparation for a resolution of the 1993 51-day standoff that resulted in a fire that killed 80 civilians including many children, according to the documents and a knowledgeable military source. Despite this powerful evidence, as of yesterday an FBI spokesman, Tron Brekke, was still telling the Dallas Morning News that he could not say whether Delta Force might have actively assisted the FBI in any way in Waco "because I don't think anybody knows. ... That's part of the reason that the attorney general and the director are, in a very expeditious manner, going to have 40 assistant inspectors and whoever is chosen to lead them come down and find out definitively what did happen," he said. "I don't know what was done or wasn't done down there." Meanwhile, the documented information WorldNetDaily has obtained reveals that not only did Reno actively seek involvement by Delta Force, but she was warned at one meeting she attended with the FBI, Delta Force Colonel John Boykin and Webster Hubbell that the use of CS tear gas would have a variety of effects, one of which would be "Some people would panic, Quote: "mothers may run off and leave infants." The FBI's admission just days ago that pyrotechnic tear-gas canisters "may have been used" was an abrupt reversal of a six-year denial that its agents used anything capable of sparking a fire at the compound. The Delta Force document detailing the Delta Force/Reno/FBI meeting notes that when Reno asked Delta Force officers for their "assessment" of the plan, she was told: "This was not a military operation and could not be assessed as such. We explained that the situation was not one that we had ever encountered and that the Rules of Engagement for the FBI were substantially different than for a military operation. [name redacted] stated, "We can't grade your paper," as a way of explaining our position." A WorldNetDaily Special Forces source who analyzed this and other statements says Delta Force was clearly uncomfortable with any association with the FBI's plans at Waco. In another section of the document, a Delta Force colonel writes: "My final comments were that I believed that the HRT (Hostage Rescue Team) should consider pulling their people off the target for a short period to retrain and polish some of the perishable(WND: difficult to read, looks like "perishable") skills. I made it clear that I was not encouraging an immediate execution of the operation. My exact words were, "I don't have a dog in this fight." WorldNetDaily's source says he believes that statement shows again how Delta Force cringed over getting involved at WACO, "I believe he (the Delta Force colonel) meant that he didn't want to be directly involved in it, and did not want to be dragged into it. Delta Force operators, and Task Force 160 operators continually cautioned the FBI against attempting an "open air assault" on the target, and stated emphatically that they did not want to be involved in firing on or assaulting American civilians, according to a source. These official and unofficial comments went ignored and, in fact, one Special Operations Officer was threatened with court-martial if he continued to protest, the source said. At another point in the document, Delta Force personnel explain to Reno that Special Forces encounters are almost always militaristic and involve outright enemies who are often heavily armed. Delta Force explains that in its standard modus operandi it was, "The principles of surprise, speed and violence of action [that] were essential to any operation. [redacted] stated that momentum should be maintained and that ground gained should not be relinquished." A WND military source says "violence of action" usually refers to killing the "hostiles." A former Special Forces commando says he spoke yesterday to a Delta Force commando who was present at the final tear-gas assault on the Branch Davidian compound. Keith Idema, who was a member of Special Forces and Special Operations units from 1975 to 1992 and helped to train hostage rescue team personnel for both Delta Force and the FBI, says pictures from Waco released this week by the Texas Department of Public Safety have been mistakenly identified by the department as gun silencers and suppressors belonging to David Koresh and his followers which were found inside the compound after the fire. Idema says they are actually concussion grenades manufactured by a company, Defense Technology, and purchased by the FBI. Idema also says the bright light seen on video footage as flashing inside the building moments before the fire broke out have been misidentified as a fire started by Branch Davidian leader David Koresh, when, in fact, to the trained eye of a Special Forces explosive expert it is unmistakably the flash caused by a "concussion grenade" that has been lobbed inside the compound. A concussion grenade uses a brilliant flash and loud bang to render an enemy in its vicinity blind, deaf and immobile for a brief period during which commandos can overpower them. Such grenades should be used only for military purposes and were wholly inappropriate, if not illegal to be used in a situation involving women and children -- and any situation where potentially inflammable tear gas was still hanging in the air, the former Special Forces operative said. Charges that the FBI used incendiary grenades which may have caused the fire were dismissed by Reno. For six years, since the assault on April 19, 1993, until six days ago, Reno maintained that no military weapons were used. When a report from Texas DPS forced her to admit that some might have been used, she still dismissed any possibility that they could have caused the fire, stating that they were used in the early morning hours before the fire began. According to Idema, the FBI was taking an ill-advised chance using a military CS tear gas grenade at any time knowing that, unlike the kind of tear gas used in civilian situations, this type leaves a vapor that hangs in the air for a longer period of time and can ignite under certain circumstances. The concussion grenades and military fuses he says were used moments before the fire broke out could have ignited the lingering tear gas vapors and started the fire. Idema also points out that other photographs released clearly show an FBI agent with a .50-caliber Browning machine gun next to his leg. Such weapons are to be used only against armored equipment and weapons, certainly not civilians, says Idema. "Why were they there?" he asks. "Koresh didn't have any tanks or helicopters, or APCs. The Geneva Convention states that these weapons are never to be used in an anti-personnel role." The bureau's admission that such devices "may have been used" marked an abrupt reversal of a long-standing denial that its agents used anything capable of sparking a fire at the church. Bureau and Justice Department officials have maintained that the devices could not have played a role in the fire because they were used hours before the blaze and were fired at an underground bunker adjacent to the wooden church compound. A pending wrongful-death suit filed by surviving Branch Davidians and families of the dead has alleged that agents launched pyrotechnic devices into the compound and fired into the building. The government vehemently denies those charges. Federal officials from President Clinton down have staunchly maintained in the six years since the tragedy that FBI agents did not fire a single shot during the entire 51-day siege. Related items: See one of the classified documents SATURDAY AUGUST 28 1999 Inside the Waco war room Notes on Reno�s meeting with the military � 1999 WorldNetDaily.com The following is a document providing a description and non-verbatim notes of a meeting between representatives of the Army's Delta Force, the FBI and Attorney General Janet Reno. A redacted version of this document was recently released in response to a Freedom of Information Act request. But WorldNetDaily's Special Forces source has the unredacted document. Here, wherever he feels he can, he has either filled in what has previously been blacked out a) exactly as it appears in the original uncensored document or b) provided a description, in his own words, of what the original says. WND's source has also provided relevant explanations of certain abbreviation s and terminology. These additions and comments appear in brackets in itallic. DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY Special Forces Operational Detachment - Delta [WND's source says this is Delta Force] SFOD-D-CG [WND: This means Delta's commanding general ] MEMORANDUM FOR: Commander, U.S. Army Special Operations Command, Fort Bragg, Subject: Meeting With members of the FBI and the Department of Justice. Reference: The Incident in Waco, Texas. [unreadable word], the following is a synopsis of the meeting on 14 April 1993 in the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) Director's Conference Room. The meeting began at approximately 15:30 Attendees were as follows: US Army Major General Shoemaker Colonel John Boykin [WND: Boykin was then a colonel in Delta Force and is now a general at USASOC ] An 04 from DCSOPS [WND's source says the above means a major from deputy chief of staff for operations, which would be an assault team leader from Delta Force Squadron ] Unknown Scientist (Expert on CS) [WND's source points out CS means tear gas ] FBI Director Sessions Deputy Diector Floyd Clark Special Agent Danny Coulson Special Agent Larry Pont Special Agent Dick Rogers (HRT Commander) Department of Justice Honorable Janet Reno (Attorney General) Mr. Hubble [WND: as in Webster Hubbell ] Two UI persons [WND's source says of UI persons which means unidentified persons, that they were "alleged at the time to to be White House personnel reporting directly to Clinton who refused to be identified during the meeting." This meeting began with an explanation by the scientist on the effects of CS on humans. He referred to experiments over the years with both humans and animals. His assessment was that CS was non-lethal and presented very little physical threat to the Branch Davidian occupants. The Attorney General and others from the Department of Justice asked a variety of questions on the effects of CS and the potential hazards. They were assured by both the FBI and the scientist that the risks of serious injury associated with CS were low. Attorney General Reno then asked both [redacted] to give an assessment of the effects of CS. Our assessment was as follows: (U) Some people would panic, Quote: "mothers may run off and leave infants." (U) Some would continue to function by using expedient techniques to overcome the effects; e.g., use of a wet cloth on the face. (U) Even with protective masks, eventually the facility would become untenable (inhabitants would have to eat and drink at some point). (U) In summary, we assessed that if the objective of the FBI was to make the building uninhabitable, then CS would accomplish that. We stated that it was our belief that if enough CS was [unreadable word], eventually the inhabitants would not be able to remain inside. It was obvious that Attorney General Reno had already been briefed on the concept of the operation. Special Agent Dick Rogers gave a brief summary of his plan using a series of enlarged photographs of the compound and a model made of cardboard and wood. The FBI saw this as an arrest situation and not a hostage barricade. Their goal was to force the compound inhabitants out of the building so they could be arrested. Dick Rogers stated to Attorney General Janet Reno that his primary concern was for the safety of the FBI agents and other law enforcement officers. Their view was that this was not an assault. The stated intent was to incrementally "gas" the compound for up to 48 hours. After 48 hours, the next step would be to use an armored platform with a blade to start removing the front of the building. Attorney General Reno then asked for our assessment of the plan. We collectively made the following points: (U) This was not a military operation and could not be assessed as such. We explained that the situation was not one that we had ever encountered and that the Rules of Engagement for the FBI were substantially different than for a military operation. [name redacted] stated, "We can't grade your paper," as a way of explaining our position. (U) If it was a military operation, we would focus on [about five words redacted] The meaning was obvious. [redacted.] We acknowledged that there were legal issues/problems associated with this approach (U) Consideration should be given to inserting CS into the [redacted for about four sentences which WND's source says details a conversation during which the military personnel explained to Reno the correct way to use CS (tear gas) and the risks involved ] Deputy. Director Clark stated that [redacted-- but in an e-mail WND's source says it is a description of "what covert surveillance equipment was being provided by Delta, and that Delta 'technicals' (commo and surveillance operators) were going to 'maintain' the equipment (actually run it for the FBI)" ]. The principles of surprise, speed and violence of action were essential to any operation. [redacted] stated that momentum should be maintained and that ground gained should not be relinquished. [WND's source says "violence of action" usually refers to killing the "hostiles" ] The final issue discussed was timing. Attorney Reno asked simply, "Why now." The FBI's response was: There is no reason to believe that Koresh has any intention of coming out voluntarily. There are indicators that children are suffering abuse The effects of a prolonged stand-off on the HRT (Hostage Rescue Team) were not an overriding issue, but something that must be considered. My final comments were that I believed that the HRT (Hostage Rescue Team) should consider pulling their people off the target for a short period to retrain and polish some of the [WND: difficult to read, looks like "perishable" ] skills. I made it clear that I was not encouraging an immediate execution of the operation. My exact words were, "I don't have a dog in this fight." My comments focused on the necessity to maintain perishable skills in order to be ready if an approval came at some point. The FBI response was that the HRT agents were, in fact, training in the Waco area on some makeshift facilities. They were strongly opposed to leaving the target. [WND's source sent the following e-mail interpreting this paragraph: "When Boykin stated he 'did not have a dog in this fight' I believe he meant that he didn't want to be directly involved in it, and did not want to be dragged into it. Delta Force operators, AND Task Force 160 operators continually cautioned the FBI against attempting an 'Open Air Assault' on the target, and continually stated they did not want to be involved in firing on or assault American civilians. These official and unofficial comments went ignored and, in fact, one Special Operations Officer was threatened with court-martial if he continued to protest.] The other points that surfaced during the discussion were size of the HRT (Hostage Rescue Team) in Waco (34 personnel) and the availability of similar units. It was explained that the HRT (Hostage Rescue Team) was unique and that only the military had a similiar capability. There was no discussion on the use of the military It is also important to note [redacted] was involved in Waco in a supporting role. [redacted] was offered an opportunity to observe the incident. With JCS approval, an observer deployed to the scene on 21 March 1993. The HRT (Hostage Rescue Team) subsequently asked for and received technical support on 19 March 19993, in the form of [redacted]. Two technicians took the equipment to Waco and remained there throughout the 51-day standoff. They maintained the equipment and advised the FBI on tactical employment. There was no tactical advice requested and none given at any time. The FBI was very understanding about the rules under which the [redacted] were operating. During the assault, the three [redacted] observed from the HRT (Hostage Rescue Team) forward command post and were cautioned not to video the operation. Prior to deployment all [redacted] were advised as to the legal restrictions on the nature and scope of assistance they could provide to the FBI and other law enforcement agencies. Their activities fell well within these boundaries. All support to the HRT (Hostage Rescue Team) was approved by the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Finally, the plan which was executed at Waco was an FBI plan which neither [redacted] nor I helped prepare. At the same time, I did believe that they had a reasonable chance of accomplishing their objective of forcing the occupants out of the building. Their approach was substantially different than anything that I have encountered. They were not assaulting the compound and they were not there to rescue anyone This was surprising to me, but certainly not something of which I am critical. It is simply a different way of looking at the situation. I did not believe that the FBI and the Attorney General were trying to force us to support or defend the plan. It was my belief that they simply wanted any observations that we felt comfortable providing. [Redacted] [WND's source says that it is signed by Colonel John Boykin, Delta Force, now General Boykin ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com <A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org</A> DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance�not soap-boxing�please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'�with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds�is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. 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