-Caveat Lector- here in Alberta we call B.C. the Peoples Republic of British Columbia.
Party of Citizens wrote: > -Caveat Lector- > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 15:02:46 -0700 (PDT) > From: Franklin Wayne Poley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], > [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], > [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], Labour Welfare Party <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > William Kay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [INGRAM] Re: What IS the Campbell Mentality? > > Thank you for your interest, Mr. Hume. I hope you and your journalist > colleagues will help us to arrive at the truth of this matter. > "...the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by > extension, the truth becomes the greatest enemy of the state" - Hitler's > Propaganda Minister Goebbels. > > I also thank Mr. Ingram who in effect gave us an introduction via the > Ingram List. Howver, I want to clarify something in his posting. I am > not saying the Campbell Government is "Nazi". The Nazis were of course > the National Socialist Party of Germany which brought Hitler to power > (using a democratic system to do so). I am saying it seems likely that we > have a FASCISTIC MENTALITY in these people, as much as I would like > to be proven wrong. The fascist mentality is historically traced to > Imperial Rome and their "fasces" symbol. The fascist mentality was strong > in the Nazis of Germany but it was not limited to them. My research led > me to believe that it is not excusively a state of mind for the political > right. I don't think the original Roman fascists were "left wing" or > "right wing". If we say, "Nazi" then people conjure up images of Nazi > atrocities and immediately dismiss the rest of the discussion because they > see no such atrocities in the present context. I will give only limited > information on the fascist mentality below because I do not want to bore > you will a lot of dry academic analysis. > > On Mon, 6 May 2002, Stephen Hume wrote: > > > Hi, Dr. FWP: > > > > Can you refer me to your papers? I'd like to have a look at them > > "Dimensionality in the Measurement of Authoritarian and Political > Attitudes". Canadian Journal of Behavioural Science, 1974, 6, 81-94. > > This study was done while I was a junior faculty member at the University > of Alberta. The subjects were students from my classes. > > "Evaluation of a Workshop for Armed Services Personnel: Attitude Change > and the Role of Authoritarianism", Journal of Alcohol and Drug Education, > 1975, 20, 1-9. > > This subjects in this study were Canadian military personnel. > > The matrix algebra and statistical methods used are summarized in my 1976 > text, "Individual Differences" (with Al Buss), 1976, Gardner Press (it is > in VPL). > > Major theoretical works in this field from the 70's were by Adorno, > Frenkel-Brunswick, Sanford and Levinson and by Rokeach. A widely used > psyhological test for related empirical studies was the "California F > Scale" (F for Fascism). I included it in my research. The F scale is often > used in psychological testing. It draws attention to the fact that this > is a matter of degree, not an all-or-none phenomenon. > > That is very much a consideration in assessing the mentality of the > Campbell Government. What is important to the citizens of BC is whether > we are seeing a fascistic CHARACTER DISORDER. And the focus of > investigative journalists should be its expressions. What is their nature > and are they of sufficient magnitude to cause grief for the citizenry? > BTW, my professional designation is neither "psychologist" nor > "philosopher". It is philosopher-psychologist, a hybrid which shows > through in interests like this. My parchment says literally: "Franklin > Wayne Poley is a Doctor of Philosophy in Psychology". The medical > psyhologist or psychiatrist is interested in personality disorders. I am > not talking about a personality disorder but rather a character disorder. > > > Re" your > > question on his interpretation of the "right to life" clause in the > > Constitution. I'd be happy to ask it but I have difficulty getting any > > cabinet ministers to return my calls these days. > > I think you should ask it right now via the Ingram List and you should ask > it directly of Premier Campbell, expecting a clear and honest reply. Both > Doug Porter and myself have received online replies from Premier Campbell > and I think you should as well. I don't believe these are always "canned" > replies. When I persisted in requesting a clear answer on whether Premier > Campbell recognized First Nations as being "nations" as much as Nigeria of > China or San Marino, he replied uneqivocally, NO. I disagree with him but > I appreciate the direct and clear answer. You should receive one as well. > Nobody will doubt that this is a vitally important issue, directly > effecting hundreds of thousands and having grave implications for all of > BC and Canada. It is, after all a constitutional matter. And it is a > matter of life and death. > > Do you know what his > > interpretation is > > I have a hypothesis on what his interpretation likely is. It is "Everyone > except ______________________ has the right to life". In other words he is > imposing conditions on who and who does not have a right to life. What all > of us urgently need to have is an articulation of the "principles" behind > the "except ____" part. Wasn't that a term bandied about in the context > of the First Nations referendum? "Principles". What principles match what > administrative practices when it comes to the right to life of all those > who are persons under the law in BC? > > I think it is quite appropriate, even commendable that Premier Campbell > should lead all BC citizens in a discussion of a "BC Interpretation of the > Constitution". We don't need a BC Constitution. We already have the > Canadian Constitution. We do need a BC interpretation of the Constitution > and to the extent that we all understand the Constitution, BC will be a > stronger and better society. Let's start with the right to life clause of > the Charter. > > > and what the provenance of that information might be? > > Some of it comes from journalistic reports like those of Bill Tieleman in > Georgia Straight who is covering health and welfare related actions of > this government. Some of it comes from government web sites. Tieleman > tells us how tens of thousands of handicapped British Columbians are being > reclassified as "employable unemployed" which means they will have their > stipend for necessities of life discontinued after two years if they have > not found paid employment. Add that to 100,000 or so currently in that > category and you have a lot of people who believe their lives are > literally being threatened. Add to that seniors receiving government > support and you have hundreds of thousands of British Columbians who feel > their lives are directly threatened by this government. The information I > am getting from online reporters is that such abrupt discontinuation of > welfare support and related support is unprecedented in Canada so we are > on our own when it comes to knowing how to deal with it. Needless to say, > I do not believe violence or even civil disobedience is necessary or > advisable. The best advice I can give to Mr. Kay, LWP et al. is to > participate fully in the lawful, democratic process and convince the > citizens of BC that they have a better position. > > To declare certain social groups or classes as having "no right to life" > is a manifestation of a fascist character disorder. The fascist mentality > is "I am right because I am me. I need no justification beyond myself. I > AM THE LAW." Next, "Those people who are like me are good, valuable, > worthy of life. Those not like me and especially those opposed to me are > not worthy of life." Again, the rationale requires nothing more than "I am > the law. I am right because I am right." This is the essence of fascism. > It is extreme INTOLERANCE to the point of vindictiveness against those who > hold opposing points of view. > > Is Premier Campbell (along with the group his inner circle) expressing > such intolerance of political foes and adversaries? What happened when he > took his position on First Nation rights as delegated rather than > inherent, to the courts? He lost. Do the subsequent actions express > extreme intolerance and vindictiveness toward political-judicial > opponents? IMO, yes. Do they manifest the fascistic character attribute > which says "I AM THE LAW"? IMO, yes. > > What has happened to the Canadian Constitution under this administration? > It is as if it didn't exist. "I am the law", remember. The constitutional > rights of First Nations? Forget about them. "I am the law". The > constitutional right of "access to justice". Again it is as if it did not > exist. "I am the law". Isn't that what Mark Hume reported on in his April > 10/02 National Post article? In an unprecedented action, all 146 > provincial court judges signed a letter of nonconfidence in this > government, asserting among other things that it is denying citizens > access to justice. The eminent law man, Tom Berger said on Studio 4 TV > that this government is in violation of the rule of law. So much for the > Charter portion of the Constitution which says "Canada is founded upon > principles that recognize the supremacy of God and the rule of law". But > remember the fascist mentality..."I am the law". Berger said we should all > be "troubled" by a government which violates the rule of law. I am giving > some additional reasons from a phil-psych perspective as to why we should > be troubled. Other professions have their perspectives as well. > > The vindictiveness and intolerance of a fascistic mentality manifests > in DEVALUING THE LIVES OF OTHERS. This is a mentality which divides > society into winners and losers. The fascist winners have no tolerance for > those they have defeated. Those they have defeated will pay the maximum > price the fascists can apply. The poorest citizens here are likely to > vote for a party like the NDP and not Liberal. Is it just coincidence that > their already inadequate stipends were reduced? Is it just coincidence > that this group was given a "no right to life" message with the > instituting of an unprecedented 2 year limit on welfare? Is it just > coincidence that First Nations people are disproportionately represented > in welfare rolls? It looks to me like a way to kill two birds with one > stone, so to speak. Another group disproportionately represented on > welfare rolls would be senior citizens. Do you really buy the Hansen > "reasurances" on VOBC last week? Are we to believe that a 64 year old > handicapped citizen who has been reclassified as employable unemployed > and has been turfed out on the street like so much garbage after receiving > 2 years of welfare will then, as if by magic, be treated with dignity and > respect, and granted the necessities for life and health in the golden > years at age 65? > > But first things first. Let's get a clear and comprehensive statement on > what Premier Campbell is saying to hundreds of thousands of BC citizens > who feel that he has directly and personally threatened their lives. Do > they or do they not have a right to life in his books? What PRINCIPLES are > guiding his interpretation of the right to life clause of the Constitution? > > If he is saying "Everyone except __________ has the right to life", who is > in the blank space and why are they there? That is a fair and reasonable > question. IT MUST BE ANSWERED. > > Sincerely-FWP > > > Thanks. > > > > Stephen Hume > > Vancouver Sun > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Franklin Wayne Poley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 1:26 PM > > Subject: What IS the Campbell Mentality? > > > > > > > On Sat, 4 May 2002, Party of Citizens wrote: > > > > > > > Subject: [NatNews-north] BC - The Referendum Five > > > > > > > > Stephen Hume > > > > Vancouver Sun > > > > Saturday, May 04, 2002 > > > > > > http://www.canada.com/vancouver/vancouversun/columnists/story.asp?id={9BD22E > > 26-0A76-4C43-8D37-3FB13FD33922} > > > > > > > > No intelligent person thinks Premier Gordon Campbell shares these odious > > > > views. On the other hand, when the neo-Nazis are applauding government > > > > policy while the churches urge caution, it doesn't take a brilliant mind > > > > to figure out which advice to heed. > > > > > > No intelligent person would ignore the bigger picture, Mr. Hume. This is > > > not an isolated event for this administration. The "fascist character > > > disorder" is one of my specializations and I have published on it in peer > > > reviewed phil-psych journals. I haven't ruled this out yet as a VALID > > > descriptor of Campbell's character. Do you know his interpretation of the > > > "right to life" clause in the Constitution? Ask him. > > > > > > (Dr.) FWP > > ------------------------ Yahoo! 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