-Caveat Lector- > I did ask you 2 questions, trying clarify, for myself and my own imperfect > understanding of what you said. > > 1 - Do you believe a "end justify the means" philosophy of action?
My point was such a broad question is irrelevant to the Israeli occupation of Palestine without specific context. My answer to your broad question is: It depends on the 'ends' and the 'means' used and required to achieve those 'ends'. For example, if a subjugated people, including innocent civilians, are murdered via state terrorism used to enforce that subjugation, then counter-terrorism is acceptable if that is the only means of effective resistance. Sometimes it is necessary for others "to feel your pain" if all other avenues are denied. Unfortunately History proves that generally occupiers only stop occupying when the Occupation causes the occupiers to pay too high a price. > 2 - Can you give me an example of the Warsaw uprising targeting innocent > civilians, children, &tc, as opposed to military targets? My point of reference regarding the Warsaw Ghetto was that desperate people are forced to commit desperate acts. Sticking to your take on the WGU, I assume you find it completely acceptable for the Palestinians to kill Israeli soldiers who are occupying Palestine? What about armed 'settlers' (i.e colonizers)? > I have also never met an Israeli who purported this idea of a "greater > Israel." I have met a few asshole ultra right Israelis, who do think killing > Arabs is a good thing. I put them in the same category as asshole > fundamentalist Muslims who think killing Jews will earn them heaven. Neither > seems to be the majority, but each group seems to have hijacked the politics > of their country (much like right-wing Christian conservatives have hijacked > American politics) - and not to either sides betterment. Whether or not a majority of the Israeli public agrees with the Greater Israeli Sharon Gang (they voted for him knowing exactly what they would get), they approve of his policies. Perhaps the majority of Germans did not support Hitler but they tolerated his policies also and came to a bad end because of that toleration. Of course the same is true for the US. If the US public tolerates or supports aggressive national policy that causes pain, anger, and distress to other countries or groups, prepare to accept the price. This is not a moral statement, just a recognition of reality. I note that you did not dispute any of the substance of my post regarding the general proposition of occupiers vs occupied, demographics, etc. but merely want to quibble over analogies. The bottom line is that when one country conducts a brutal, murderous, occupation of another people by a policy of state terrorism, it is ridiculous for those same people to claim victimhood when the occupied use similiar tactics to fight the occupation. (Unless you believe it is moral to bomb civilians as long as you use jets and heliocopters but it is 'immoral' to actually become the bomb and deliver the human bomb in person.) Doesn't the Torah state that you reap what you sow? flw <A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org</A> DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance�not soap-boxing�please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'�with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds�is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ======================================================================== Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html <A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]</A> http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ <A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl</A> ======================================================================== To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
