Questions for anyone using Gnome (panel and or nautilus) with CTwm...

I run "gnome-panel" with ctwm, with settings
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UsePPosition        "non-zero"   # honor positions that are not (0,0)
RandomPlacement                  # randomly place windows with no geometry
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As well as no-titlebar or borders for the panels
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Title {             # programs which are not to have a title bar
  ### Gnome Launcher and File Manager desktop (not gnome-panel popups)
  "desktop_window" "Bottom Panel" "Top Panel" "Side Panel"
}
NoBorder {            # programs which are not to have a border (shaped?)
  ### Gnome Launcher and File Manager desktop (not gnome-panel popups)
  "desktop_window" "Bottom Panel" "Top Panel" "Side Panel"
}
AutoLower {
  "desktop_window"    # Gnome filemanager desktop (underneath everything)
}
AutoRaise {
  "Gnome-panel"       # And all gnome panel stuff is above everything
}
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This works well.  The Gnome panel at the bottom of the display positions
itself correctly and popups for configuration have titlebars.

However under RedHat Fedora Core 3 two gnome-panels are provided by
default.  One at the bottom, just as it was previously, and one at the
top.

THE PROBLEM.  A gnome-panel at the top, or the left side of the display
tries to position itself using "+0+0".  Unfortunataly the "UsePPosition"
setting I have above (preset because too many applications don't set
geometry position correctly) causes these panel to be postioned
in the "RandomPlacement" on the display.

In other words the panel is placed by CTwm incorrectly!!!!
Arrggghhhhh....

My current solution to this is to use "autohide" on the panel
which causes the application to re-position itself immeditate it has
finished its start up.  But I don't want a 'hidden' pannel, I want to
see the applets on the panel..

Does anyone have any suggestions to fix this problem?

Perhaps a tool to re-position windows from a shell script?

Further.  If I start the gnome nautilus background window it also
suffers this same problem.  It is displaced by CTwm to its 'random
position'.

Does anyone know how you can set a position and size of this window?
Gnome is so dumb it does not understand geometry specifications!

NOTE: I do not want the nautilus "desktop_window" at "+0+0" in any case,
as I do like to be able to popup up a ctwm menu :-)  But I would like
better position control that just "RandomPlacement".

  Anthony Thyssen ( System Programmer )    <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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