On Sat, 26 Feb 2000, Aaron wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Feb 2000 15:48:11 -0500, Sunder wrote:
>
> >FYI: corporations don't own my ass. I'd say the reverse is true though. Ever
> >hear of stock? When you buy it, you own a piece of their asses.
>
> Yeah, and you're Ted Turner? Don't equate yourself to the bourgeoisie. You
> only make me laugh at such foolishness.
Bitch please, the basic premise that all men are created equal still holds
true. To each his own. I don't strive to be Ted Turner, nor does he
strive to be me. That's the thing about freedom. The "worker" is not a
synonim for "drone."
Laugh all you want, but that's reality. When I buy even a single share of
a company, I own a slice of that company. When it does good, I make
money, when it doesn't I lose. If I decide the company sucks ass, I can
sell it, and it will lose money.
> >Capitalism doesn't dig its own grave. Capitalism provides a very important
> >feedback mechanism. To succeede at it you have to do something right. You
> >can't be lazy and rely on others to provide for you.
>
> Speculation is a form of laziness our capitalism has plenty of.
Speculation in what form? Speculating what precisely?
> But that's not the main flaw of capitalism. Capitalism digs its grave because
> ultimately it's exploitive to the workers. The government has had to protect
> workers from the corporations for the sake of corporations. But as the protections
> are removed... we'll see.
And who forces you to work for a particular company? If the place sucks,
quit and work elsewhere. IF you can't find work, it's because you're
incompetent, or your skills are outdated. You can only blame *YOURSELF*
for that. You have no one else to blame. Is that why you turn to
communism? Because you're too lazy to learn new skills that are in
demand?
Protections my ass. No one puts a gun to your head and says you must work
here for X amount of dollars doing Y hours a week in Z conditions. It's a
free market Mr. Commie. Like auctions, a thing's value is what people are
willing to pay for it. Same for your skills. They're worth exactly what
the market is willing to pay for it. Same for products and services,
they're worth what people are willing to pay for them. Those that suck go
the way of the dodo, those that succede make money.
If a company mistreats you, you can always walk away, and you can always
tell your friends exactly why it sucks and why they shouldn't work there.
Hell, and I didn't even mention anything about lawsuits so far.
Anyone who gets exploited by any entity does so because they allowed
themselves to get that way. Oh, and please, don't give me a strawman
about people getting mugged or raped at gunpoint. Were they allowed to
carry in the first place, it wouldn't have been an issue.
Sorry, but so far, you've not managed to give a single good arguement for
communism or why capitalism is bad. It's moronic that you repeatedly spew
the party line about how capitalism becomes communism in the long term,
when there's no proof of that whatsoever in real life.
If anything, quite the contrary, the breakup of Russia proves that
communism will rot from the inside out because of capitalism. If anything
the corruption inside its government points to bribes as a way of life.
What are bribes if not a form capitalism deemed illegal?
