At 10:58 PM -0400 4/14/00, dmolnar wrote:
>On Fri, 14 Apr 2000, Tim May wrote:
>
>> You're naively accepting what this anonymous poster claimed.
>
>At this point I accept that it might be a good idea to ask on those lists
>as well. As far as I'm concerned, I've already raised my question about
>digital donations here and I'm looking for responses.
>
>(I suppose I should respond to the rest of the anonymous poster's points,
>but that's in progress. Short summary : this kind of protocol
>is not particularly "cypherpunk" - no restrictions on donations are. It
>still strikes me as an interesting question with a fun adversary model.
>Think about the parties involved for a minute -- the donor, the candidate,
>some third party or a payment mix, maybe the IRS if we're giving tax
>credits for donations...
Oh, I think it's a "fun" adversary model, too. There are zillions of
interesting crypto protocols involved between Alice, Bob, Charles,
Dorothy, Elizabeth, Fred, etc., when these persons are in various
roles as citizens, tax collecor, political campaign monitors,
policemen, censors, et.
Spending a lot of effort on one of these zillions of possiblies,
e.g., how crypto protocols can be used to implement limits on free
speech, seems bizarre, however.
>
>
>Thanks for the history and framing. I vaguely remember coderpunks forming
>when I first started lurking on cypherpunks...
>
>> If you retreat to one of these lists, David, it is...a good thing.
>> People who elect to be in censored lists have made the right decision.
>
>I have no intention of "retreating." Thanks!
>
>It's just that if the topic has already been discussed there, I'd like to
>know what was said. If I can avoid retreading tired arguments, this
>strikes me as a plus.
The problem, aside from the censorious nature of those other lists,
lying in the fact that they don't _like_ political discussions. Perry
likes what Perry likes, and Lewis (or his succesors) likes what he
likes. Their lists, their rules. 'Nuff said.
--Tim May
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