>Mark McCarron said: >Did no one notice trillions are being drained from the US economy into some unidentified military project for the last decade or more??? >It would seem to indicate that there is a Manhatten-style project underway.
Do you have more details/links about that? Thanks Cheerz http://apx808.blogspot.com On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 8:01 PM, grarpamp <[email protected]> wrote: > Trillions? > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Mark McCarron <[email protected]> > Date: Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 9:27 AM > Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Questions about NSA monitoring of Tor users. > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > I can answer this: > > 1. The IP addresses can be connected to an ISP and physical address > should the need arise. It allows the NSA to "rewind the tape" so to > speak. That is why there has been a push for data retention at ISPs. > Given that in the EU governments are seeking 2 years, it would > indicate that the platform can rewind internet activity for at least > that long. > > 2. Tor is a communications platform, the NSA's job is to monitor > communications and intercept military planning that effects either > itself or its partners. Secure global communications and computing is > now a commodity, whereas it was mainly a state-only capability. Thus, > the average user is now coming up against intelligence agencies, > rather than state actors alone. Leaving blind spots would be > dangerous to national security as it provides opportunities for > planning and coordination. So, there is a legitimate case here and no > one denies it. The real problem is that in the absence of a genuine > international threat and by that I mean someone on the scale of > Russia/China, these systems are being directed against groups with > limited capabilities. Those groups are now being defined as national > security threats to justify budgets and to filter money into > particular black projects. Revelations by Snowden and other releases > are merely a distraction to where the money is really going. > Did no one notice trillions are being drained from the US economy > into some unidentified military project for the last decade or more??? > > It would seem to indicate that there is a Manhatten-style project underway. > > Regards, > > Mark McCarron > > > Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 23:14:30 +0000 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [tor-talk] Questions about NSA monitoring of Tor users. > > > > I have two questions about the recent revelations that the NSA has been > > collecting data about Tor users. > > > > I would like to hear from those with personal knowledge and experience > > such as Jacob, Roger, Mike, etc. > > > > AIUI, from the stories in the German media > > (http://daserste.ndr.de/panorama/aktuell/nsa230_page-1.html) and Wired > > (http://www.wired.com/2014/07/nsa-targets-users-of-privacy-services/), > > the NSA has logged the IP of everyone who ever accessed: > > a) a directory server. > > b) an entry node. > > c) bridges.torproject.org > > d) requested an email of bridges. > > e) the tor website itself (except from five eyes countries). > > > > This is viable as the NSA runs the Quantum network which allows it to > > intercept traffic to whichever sites it desires before that traffic > > arrives at its destination. > > > > Two questions: > > > > 1. What would be the purpose of collecting a vast trove of IP > addresses? > > In my case, my IP could be tied to my real name since I send emails via > > SMTP which will contain my IP, email address, real name, etc. That said, > > IP addresses are dynamic. I don't know how easy it would be to identify > > most people via an IP. Of course, one way would be to ask the ISP > > directly. But, whether tied to a real identity or not, what's the point? > > What does it achieve? They also gather the IP address for those who > > access any number of proxy services such as MegaProxy and > > FreeProxies.org. Would they not just end up with a massive database of > > (mostly dynamic) IPs? > > > > 2. What is the attitude that encourages the gathering of this > > information? Is it: because they can? Or do they truly believe that > > anyone who uses Tor is dangerous? Bear in mind that Tor was developed > > and is still funded by the US government. No-one can deny that > > dissidents in unfree countries use it. So, even if you assume that a > > high percentage of users are bad people, what about the dissidents in > > the Middle East or wherever? What is the psychology here? I'm sure > > people like Roger are in regular contact with some government types. > > Perhaps he can shed some light on the motivation? > > > > > > -- > > tor-talk mailing list - [email protected] > > To unsubscribe or change other settings go to > > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk > > -- > tor-talk mailing list - [email protected] > To unsubscribe or change other settings go to > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk >
