Well, we're imagining systems set up deliberately to be beneficient. If
someone wants to create an awful orwellian thing instead, they can do
so; with enough guns they'll get everyone to register to anything.
So, leaving aside the non-technical question of "what if the creators
are assholes with guns", let's get back to the core question; how to
implement a fairly OK "Basic Income On Blockchain".
Firstly, basic income is the sort of system that you can likely only do
with an external registrar for person:key correspondance, because we've
never cracked the sock-puppet/sybil problem and might never do.
This registrar need not actually be able to *track* these people once
registered, though; that's the whole idea behind blind signatures for
voting, for example. The registrar could be asked by a person to sign
their basic income allowance to any (evenly divisive of the income)
number of sub-addresses, which would be blinded from the registrar, and
the funds could then be redeemed zerocoin-style as income by the
registrant. The registrar "knows" that someone's just claimed their
income, but not to what addresses, and can therefore prevent
double-claims. The registrant gets their income to one or many bitcoin
addresses and can then generate new receiving addresses as usual for the
change.
Of course, this might all be meaningless if you just used zerocoin
instead, because with zerocoin you could just collect your coins openly
in your own name, launder them trivially, and move on.
On 26/05/15 07:10, Nadine Earnshaw wrote:
the one thing I always come back to when thinking about the blockchain
and how it could be used against the masses is
if a savy government simply makes it a legal requirement to register
whichever addresses you use for business purposes or
personal tax reasons
this means that you now find yourself only a Blockchain script away
from an annual audit and if you do transactions with non registered
addresses then what?
follow that rabbit down the hole and you find yourself very much in the
Orwellian land of 1984
if your starting point in life meant all the money you have ever had was
tracked how would you even get around that?
blackmarket gold? but how do you buy it in the first place. start buying
jewellery I guess that just gets lost
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Re: Basic income (was) Re: noscript is 10 years!
Blind signature scheme to guarantee person:income-key correspondence
without breaking the privacy of who each represents? However, you'd
need to give each person as many signed private keys as transactions
they're likely to use each income-cycle to avoid
spending-correlation deanonymysation.
On 25 May 2015 17:46:22 GMT+01:00, Troy Benjegerdes
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 03:55:23PM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 1:37 PM, John Young
<[email protected]> wrote:
NYT today has book review on gradual replacement of humans
by robots, a beloved investment of those at the top, so
John Deere
Shame no one properly broke the last 3-5 messages off into a
separate thread when it went off noscript
What will happen to the 7000000000 unpaid system redundancies?
We don't need the money, the money needs us, and I expect
something like
6,999,999,900 redundancies will suddenly find themselves with
various forms
of basic income guarantees once the money finally figures ou! t
it's automating
itself out of job, and realizes it needs to start giving the HCF
(human
confinement farms) money or humans are going to stop spending
it, and this,
my friends, would be the end of money.
What's important for this cypherpunk is to figure out how to
make sure we have
alternatives and free choice to leave the HCFs and choose among
many basic
income systems, or make the choice to not use money at all.
Are blockchains a reasonable thing to build a basic income
system on? How do
you ensure a blockchain private key is held or controlled by
only one person,
so that one cannot simply create many anonymous IDs and collect
several hundred
basic income guarantees?
It seems there must be a human factor, and something that looks
a lot like a
government, but I can't quite wrap my head around how to make
sure each of
those 7e9 redunancies can only create 7e9 basic income
generating accounts, anddo a moderately good job of identifying
and stopping those that try to collect,
via force, coercion, or deceit, more than their share of basic
income.
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