> > If that's true, JYA was being either unimaginably stupid, or > unimaginably weird. Still, there was no need to publish the logs just to > make a point. Redacted excerpts and hashes of the files would have been > enough, no?
True and documented, and as I said in my last email - I DID REDACT THEM. John *still* denied they were real and accused me of faking them. On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 10:25 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Send cypherpunks mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://cpunks.org/mailman/listinfo/cypherpunks > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of cypherpunks digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [cryptome] Cryptome has been leaking its user logs for > over a year (coderman) > 2. Re: [cryptome] Re: [cryptome] (Shelley) > 3. Re: [cryptome] Re: [cryptome] Yay: [cryptome] (coderman) > 4. Re: [cryptome] Cryptome has been leaking its user logs for > over a year (Mirimir) > 5. 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Re: [cryptome] Re: [cryptome] (Mirimir) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 16:28:42 -0700 > From: coderman <[email protected]> > To: Michael Best <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [cryptome] Cryptome has been leaking its user logs for > over a year > Message-ID: > < > cajvra1rojbtn4oaoxykchtys7lwxgthpqmr5tud4kwhuepv...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > On 10/9/15, coderman <[email protected]> wrote: > > ... > > 0eb8551d977dde4f4193b3a16dedcd18f01e854e371e96623d33dd5b9519e413 > USB-1.rar > > > see attached. then xref with Tor exit db :P > > > best regards, > -------------- next part -------------- > # USB-1/Disk > 2/07-Cryptome-org-13-0702-cartome-directory/07-Cryptome-org-13-0702-cartome-directory/07-Cryptome-org-13-0702-cartome-directory/awstats > e013b32176f9ebfb6a235de6929a38cd3b1ba3fd9546fa633a4380519577da34 > ./.access.pwd > 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> Subject: Re: [cryptome] Re: [cryptome] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > On October 9, 2015 4:51:44 PM Jeremy Compton <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > I am not surprised that GCHQ does what you claim it does. > > > > Have you read about this from the beginning? If so, you'd know that Mike > Best is not the one claiming that the GCHQ slide is real. He is trying to > establish whether nearly anyone could have made the slide with the logs > Cryptome leaked/distributed/whatever, unwittingly or otherwise. That's > all, and I don't know how a researcher trying to verify data has become a > giant shitstorm. > > -S > > > Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 19:11:50 -0400 > > Subject: [cryptome] > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > > > To the original point, the GCHQ Snowden slide. Cryptome accusing me of > > faking the data was a diversion. Only had to verify it because of the > GCHQ > > slide. > > From: Jeremy Compton <j.compton@xxxxxxxxxxx>To: "cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" > > <cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 12:00:48 +1300So, now you > > have named and shamed Cryptome for this grievance you have, whereto > > know? > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 17:30:21 -0700 > From: coderman <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Cc: cypherpunks <[email protected]>, [email protected] > Subject: Re: [cryptome] Re: [cryptome] Yay: [cryptome] > Message-ID: > < > cajvra1t16mgyuwyp7etk2+pyn_hsfr+iajmg4zidims-66a...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On 10/9/15, Shelley <[email protected]> wrote: > > ... I don't know how a researcher trying to verify data has become a > > giant shitstorm. > > the precariousness of life is exactly why i savor such enjoyments, > such as this turd turbulence in the absurdist library... > > :P > > > best regards, > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 18:58:39 -0600 > From: Mirimir <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [cryptome] Cryptome has been leaking its user logs for > over a year > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > On 10/09/2015 03:52 AM, rysiek wrote: > > Dnia czwartek, 8 października 2015 20:45:50 Mirimir pisze: > >> On 10/08/2015 07:42 PM, coderman wrote: > >>> On 10/7/15, Michael Best <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> Let me begin by saying that Cryptome initially denied the leak, then > that > >>>> the data was stolen, then that the whole thing was a fake "a lie by > [a] > >>>> spy-newbie." > >>> > >>> the lie is assuming these requests over plain-text were ever private :P > >> > >> That is the key point! > >> > >> And anyway, all traffic to all websites is public. > > > > Oh for fucks' sake. There are fuckers who do listen in and surveil, etc, > but > > it is *not* okay to make their work easier. And it is *not* okay to make > one's > > server logs broadly available in such a context. > > Look, Cryptome did fuck up. First, by keeping logs for more than a day > or so, whatever necessary for debugging and responding to attacks. > Second, by sending them to a third party. And third, by being so obtuse > with that third party that he felt compelled to publish them. > > > Why the fuck are people on this list slamming Snowden and freedom.press > for > > using Cloudflare, and at the same time defending JYA for sending out > server > > logs with dates and IP addresses? > > You'll never catch me slamming Snowden or defending JYA ;) And I gotta > say, Cloudflare starts looking good when your site is getting DOSed. > > > The hell is this bullshit? > > Bullshit, mostly ;) > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 19:10:34 -0600 > From: Mirimir <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [cryptome] Re: [cryptome] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > On 10/09/2015 06:22 PM, Shelley wrote: > > On October 9, 2015 4:51:44 PM Jeremy Compton <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >> I am not surprised that GCHQ does what you claim it does. > >> > > > > Have you read about this from the beginning? If so, you'd know that > > Mike Best is not the one claiming that the GCHQ slide is real. He is > > trying to establish whether nearly anyone could have made the slide with > > the logs Cryptome leaked/distributed/whatever, unwittingly or > > otherwise. That's all, and I don't know how a researcher trying to > > verify data has become a giant shitstorm. > > Maybe because Mike _published_ the fucking logs, just because JYA was > doing the mirror shades thing about whether the archive was or was not > genuine? I mean, JYA can be a very funny man. For sure. But does that > justify publishing Cryptome access logs? > > > -S > > > >> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 19:11:50 -0400 > >> Subject: [cryptome] > >> From: [email protected] > >> To: [email protected] > >> > >> To the original point, the GCHQ Snowden slide. Cryptome accusing me of > >> faking the data was a diversion. Only had to verify it because of the > >> GCHQ slide. > >> From: Jeremy Compton <j.compton@xxxxxxxxxxx>To: > >> "cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>Date: Sat, 10 Oct > >> 2015 12:00:48 +1300So, now you have named and shamed Cryptome for this > >> grievance you have, whereto > >> know? > >> > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 21:19:39 -0400 > From: Michael Best <[email protected]> > To: [email protected], [email protected] > Subject: [cryptome] Re: [cryptome] > Message-ID: > < > canfta0-qpf1vhatedggbwruxtrua4h7fqvxjvgsg+upx-ww...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > > Maybe because Mike _published_ the fucking logs, just because JYA was > > doing the mirror shades thing about whether the archive was or was not > > genuine? I mean, JYA can be a very funny man. For sure. But does that > > justify publishing Cryptome access logs? > > > I published them to verify the data, *AFTER JYA publicly accused me of > FAKING it.* I only raised the point of the logs because of the GCHQ slide. > *If > *John had verified it a week earlier, or not accused me of faking data > (with ZERO evidence, and the data turns out to be legit) *they never > would've been published. * > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/attachments/20151009/3541f896/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2015 18:21:55 -0700 > From: Shelley <[email protected]> > To: Mirimir <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [cryptome] Re: [cryptome] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > On October 9, 2015 6:16:10 PM Mirimir <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Maybe because Mike _published_ the fucking logs, just because JYA was > > doing the mirror shades thing about whether the archive was or was not > > genuine? I mean, JYA can be a very funny man. For sure. But does that > > justify publishing Cryptome access logs? > > > > When the logs have been distributed by Cryptome via USB and torrents as > part of the archive for over a year? Yeah, it's fair game. > > Note that he removed those files once JY finally gave an explanation. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 20:15:01 -0600 > From: Mirimir <[email protected]> > To: Michael Best <[email protected]>, [email protected] > Subject: Re: [cryptome] Re: [cryptome] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > On 10/09/2015 07:19 PM, Michael Best wrote: > >> > >> Maybe because Mike _published_ the fucking logs, just because JYA was > >> doing the mirror shades thing about whether the archive was or was not > >> genuine? I mean, JYA can be a very funny man. For sure. But does that > >> justify publishing Cryptome access logs? > > > > > > I published them to verify the data, *AFTER JYA publicly accused me of > > FAKING it.* I only raised the point of the logs because of the GCHQ > slide. *If > > *John had verified it a week earlier, or not accused me of faking data > > (with ZERO evidence, and the data turns out to be legit) *they never > > would've been published. * > > Publishing them was still unwarranted. You could have published a > redacted version. You could have polled this list, and verified selected > lines. Whatever. Yes, JYA was being a jerk. But still ... > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 22:21:11 -0400 > From: Michael Best <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [cryptome] Re: [cryptome] > Message-ID: > < > canfta09zamgyy2jv0lbr+aur+lapgo764r1lx9xxh2fm8-_...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > > Publishing them was still unwarranted. You could have published a > > redacted version. You could have polled this list, and verified selected > > lines. Whatever. Yes, JYA was being a jerk. But still ... > > *Umm, I *did* post a redacted version first.* JYA said it was faked > and refused to verify it until days after it had been published in its > entirety. I even told him before hand that if he didn't verify it, I'd > have to post it. He still called it disinfo and fake until well after > it'd been released and confirmed as the files being un multiple > releases, including an old torrent. > > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 10:15 PM, Mirimir <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On 10/09/2015 07:19 PM, Michael Best wrote: > > >> > > >> Maybe because Mike _published_ the fucking logs, just because JYA was > > >> doing the mirror shades thing about whether the archive was or was not > > >> genuine? I mean, JYA can be a very funny man. For sure. But does that > > >> justify publishing Cryptome access logs? > > > > > > > > > I published them to verify the data, *AFTER JYA publicly accused me of > > > FAKING it.* I only raised the point of the logs because of the GCHQ > > slide. *If > > > *John had verified it a week earlier, or not accused me of faking data > > > (with ZERO evidence, and the data turns out to be legit) *they never > > > would've been published. * > > > > Publishing them was still unwarranted. You could have published a > > redacted version. You could have polled this list, and verified selected > > lines. Whatever. Yes, JYA was being a jerk. But still ... > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/attachments/20151009/ff3fbdcf/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 20:24:59 -0600 > From: Mirimir <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [cryptome] Re: [cryptome] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > On 10/09/2015 07:21 PM, Shelley wrote: > > On October 9, 2015 6:16:10 PM Mirimir <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Maybe because Mike _published_ the fucking logs, just because JYA was > >> doing the mirror shades thing about whether the archive was or was not > >> genuine? I mean, JYA can be a very funny man. For sure. But does that > >> justify publishing Cryptome access logs? > >> > > > > When the logs have been distributed by Cryptome via USB and torrents as > > part of the archive for over a year? Yeah, it's fair game. > > If that's true, JYA was being either unimaginably stupid, or > unimaginably weird. Still, there was no need to publish the logs just to > make a point. Redacted excerpts and hashes of the files would have been > enough, no? > > > Note that he removed those files once JY finally gave an explanation. > > True. But publishing them was still unwarranted. > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > cypherpunks mailing list > [email protected] > https://cpunks.org/mailman/listinfo/cypherpunks > > > ------------------------------ > > End of cypherpunks Digest, Vol 28, Issue 32 > ******************************************* >
