On 07/01/2016 08:41 PM, juan wrote: > On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 19:55:42 -0600 > Mirimir <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> Mirimir <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>>>> As much as I sympathize for victims of criminal states, I believe >>>>>> that anonymity systems are essential for protecting privacy and >>>>>> freedom. I also believe that they may eventually reduce state >>>>>> power substantially. Although that's seeming more and more like >>>>>> a dream. >>>>> > >> >> Yore reading comprehension sucks ;) > > I don't think so. > >> >> Read the fucking paragraph that you quoted. It says nothing about Tor. > > Dude! Context! > > The whole discussion was about tor! And at some point > you said > > "I also believe that they may eventually reduce state > power substantially" > > "They" stands for "anonymity systems" which in this > 'context' basically means tor. Even more so since you keep > repeating that tor is the best system 'we' have.
As I said, your reading comprehension sucks. Or you're just twisting shit to pretend that you're right. > So you say that 'anonimity systems' *may eventually* reduce > state power, from which it follows that RIGHT NOW, THEY > DON'T. And you further acknowledge that such reduction seems > like a dream. > > So you basically conceded my point. I simply reading your > allegedly 'general' comment in a way that underscores the fact > that tor doesn't work. It works for many people. > Would *working* anonimity systems reduce state power? Likely > yes. Do the current anonimity systems reduce state power? No. > Especially tor, a creation of the state. So you keep saying. >> It's about anonymity systems generally. That's what you're apparently >> saying is bullshit. Or have I misread you? > > Anonimity systems in general include tor in particular. Yes, but statements about anonymity systems generally aren't limited to Tor. >> But right now, Tor is the best we have. > > Yeah. You said so a couple of times... > > >> So we use it, with suitable >> precautions. Or we play naked. What else do you suggest? >> > > I suggest you stop using the pronoun 'we'. *You* find the 'free' > tax-funded pentagon's 'anonimity' network useful and apparently > don't care much about the real price of the system. No, I don't care about the "real price of the system". Why should I? And, as I said before, people that you hate would be using any effective anonymity system. So you might as well get over it. > I further suggest that anybody interested in freedom stay away > from the pentagon. Doubly so if they are cypherpunk > 'anarchists' or sympathetic to the cause. The Pentagon is everywhere, dude ;)
