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On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 10:38:57AM -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 09:46:25PM -0700, Nathan Saper wrote:
> > Fine. My basis for my claim is that the NSA is the best funded and
> > best equiped electronic intelligence agency in the world, and they
> > have employed some of the smartest people in the world.
>
> Sorry, but this is hand-waving. There are smart people outside the NSA
> and there is money outside the NSA.
>
Understood. But the NSA's budget is somewhat higher than most crypto
think-tanks.
> > Fine, it's a claim made by the clueless. I'm not claiming to be
> > something other than clueless, but I am claiming to have not meant
> > what I sent to this list. Again, not a good proofreader. Again, sue me.
>
> No, you'll just be ridiculed instead. Extraordinary claims require
> extraordinary proof, and you have not provided it.
>
Why aren't people understanding that I'm not saying that the NSA has
found a miraculous way to break ciphers? They may have, I don't
know. The point is, when I said they could break "ciphers," I should
have said "cipher implementations." I.E. software that does
cryptography. Software is damn near always buggy.
Look, people, you can continue to ridicule me for what I said
earlier, but it would be a waste of time. We're essentially agreeing.
> Think of it from a longtime cypherpunk's perspective: We see people
> come in here and say the same thing as you every month or so, and
> offer much in the way of not-very-informed speculation but little in
> the way of proof.
>
> -Declan
>
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