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On 09/05/2016 12:15 PM, Александр wrote:
> forwarding part of my private conversation to the whole list:
> 
> The new list is not the preferable solution, you know. It's the
> only thing we see right now, but... We should realize, that this
> splitting up will KILL the original list. It will kill the whole
> concept and the core idea of the Cypher-Punk list/movement.
> 
> The Snowden revelations and all the shit going on in the world in
> the last 10 years has brought us (people with brain & spirit) to a
> clear and unambiguous understanding that *"THE CYPHERPUNK
> LIST-CONCEPT MUST EVOLVE, -> THUS MUST BE CHANGED, BECOMING MUCH
> BROADER". *And the focus, as John Young wrote, cannot be on
> Apolitical (relatively) crypto-math-numbers only as it was
> before...
> 
> Times have irreversibly changed -> thus the issues for discussion
> must be much much *BROADER*.

Well that's odd.  I wonder what it's about?  Splitting the list into
what?  Two with different themes?  One Moderated and one Unmoderated?

If the latter, that's a perilous course.  One sees a lot of "twin"
lists and such that are one sterile and stereotyped, the other totally
overrun with tards.  Because once upon a time, half or more of the
people on the original list who took an interest in keeping it alive
/without/ censorship bailed, and those who stayed behind were
gradually overwhelmed.

When the means to eliminate a public voice by direct force are not
practicable, death by a thousand paper cuts may get the job done.
Splitting an online forum may be a decisive move in that direction, or
harmless and productive, depending the situation.  As someone already
pointed out, there is already a cryptography list, which seems to
provide more or less what any advocates for moderation could ask for.

People have been talking about the CPunks list charter.  I have not
seen it.  What Sovereign signed it, and what powers does the Crown
delegate to us, for what tribute in return?  Just curious.

Will post a message to this same thread that enlarges on "my" input to
the "public" conversation.

Ⓐ


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