On 08/07/2018 06:14 PM, juan wrote: > On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 17:49:54 -0700 > Mirimir <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >>> for other stuff...do you have to ask? What sort of system do you think >>> should be used for coordinating 'criminal' activity, instead of streaming >>> super full SHD video for retards? >> >> That's the question. > > And the answer is : some sort of 'high latency' mixing network. And > interestingly enough such a network doesn't seem to exist, although it seems > to me it would require less resources than something like tor. And nobody > seems to be worried about having or not having that kind of network, which > strikes me as odd...
Well, as I'm sure you know, high-latency mix networks -- Cypherpunk and Mixmaster remailers.[0] -- predate Tor. That's how I used the original cypherpunks list, way back when. A few years ago, I played with them a little. I got QuickSilver Lite running in Wine.[1] Basically, all email goes to alt.anonymous.messages, you download everything, and then your client finds stuff that you can decrypt. Some resources were (are?) available as .onion services. I probably have notes somewhere, if you're interested. I'm not sure why that all died. It _was_ bloody complicated, even with QuickSilver Lite. Also very slow. And I can't imagine how it could have scaled. Although I suppose that some of the binary newsgroups did get pretty fucking huge. But anyway, overhead is a key problem with mix networks. Development of the Web was part of it, I'm sure. Although I recall seeing a crude hack that pulled stuff from alt.anonymous.messages, and massaged it into a web page. >> I guess that you say that there is none, and we >> should all just organize our local cells. > > What I was trying to say is that, if the use case is 'criminal > activity', then using a 'low latency' network like tor which provides > centralized 'hidden' services is a not a good idea. It's more like a recipe > for disaster. Well, if you exclude low-latency networks, you're pretty much left with nothing to use. But even so, people who want anonymity, some of them doing illegal stuff, _will_ end up using Tor. So why not help them use it more safely? 0) https://remailer.paranoici.org/clist.html 1) https://www.quicksilvermail.net/qslite/
