So tell me again how this might work for someone, like myself, that has a phone with a removable battery and keeps his phone off / unpowered mostly, except at home or innocuous locations.
On Sun, Apr 26, 2020, 4:39 PM Zenaan Harkness <[email protected]> wrote: > On 16 April 2020, Australia's Deputy Chief Medical Officer, Professor Paul > Kelly, during one of his addresses to Australia regarding COVID-19, > answered a few questions, including: > > Australian Government Department of Health was live. > 16 April at 22:08 > #LIVE: Deputy Chief Medical Officer, Professor Paul Kelly, with an > update on coronavirus > https://en-gb.facebook.com/healthgovau/videos/633760540804638/ > > ... [initial discussion re the app, and how it is intended to initially > operate, beginning at 04:15, not transcribed] > > Question [08:49]: Would you consider using the capability of the telcos, > um, to further contact tracing if, if it gets to a point that that's the > best way to boost the, boost the contact tracing system? > > Kelly [09:00]: Well we're, we're considering this app for now and > we'll, we'll see how that goes. > > Question [09:04]: Professor the prime minister [Scott Morrison] didn't > [?] rule out making the app compulsory if less than 40% of the country > signed up, today; is the health advice to make the tracing app compulsory > in some way if not [enough] Australians sign up, are you considering that > at all? > > Kelly [09:15]: I'd .. I've always been a believer in .. in the > Australian, people making the right decision, and so I think a voluntary > approach at first is definitely the way to go. > Ah, and as I said, this is an add-on to what we already have in terms of > contact tracing and, and case finding, and so, ah, I think we, we, we need > to make the case for, for the app, we need to .. we've got work to do in > the, in the coming week to, make sure that it is .. as good and as safe > and, covers off privacy concerns and so forth these are very important > issues to consider. Ah, and then we'll, the app will, will be released, and > ah, and then we'll see how it goes, in terms of take up. > > Question [09:50]: So a voluntary, a voluntary um thing at first, you > said, does that mean you are considering to make it compulsory if, that > doesn't work? > > Kelly [09:57]: Well I think we'd, we'd start with voluntary, and then > we see how it goes. > > Question [10:00]: But that said professor, you are saying aren't you > that the take up rate of the app, is going to be tied to the timeline when > we can safely come out of our lockdown? > > Kelly [10:12]: I think we've .. we're .. that was the Prime Minister > who said that yesterday and so, um, what we, what we need to consider is, > there is a range of things that have got us to this flattened curve. > I think the first thing was the closure of the borders, um > the second thing, ah, was, was, really, ramping up our case finding and > con.. contact tracing, which has happened already .. ah, not with the app > but with the normal way that we do these things, ah and > the third measure, ah was, all of the social distancing things which > have, you know, shut down many of our, our beloved components of our way of > life in Australia here, > and so, when we've looked at the modelling of all of those things, each > of them have their contribution, ah, so, if we can strengthen one, or two > of those, ah, then that will obviously give the .. give us an opportunity, > to consider um, pulling back on some of the others and so that's the > relationship between, the contact tracing, including the app, ah and the > social distancing measures. > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 06:38:29PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > >From the "oh, so the government tells us it won't abuse the geolocation > and app surveillance data, so it just MUST be ok then, right? Right?" > > > > Ahh .. no. Nope. Definitely, that's actually a "no, there can be no > such guarantee in the modern age", except of course, that the data were not > collected in the first place, and that, of course, would defeat the purpose > of this app. > > > > So folks, do not believe a well meaning politician who is fundamentally > ignorant, or misinformed, or malignant, or some combination of all three. > > > > Witness the double speak of "there's no tracking involved with the app" > and yet at the same time "the app would use data from people's phones to > allow health authorities to trace people who had been in close contact with > confirmed COVID-19 cases". > > > > Some of The Ministry's finest work, that right there :) > > > > > > Coronavirus app will not be forced upon Australians, Scott Morrison > says > > > https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-18/prime-minister-rules-out-making-coronavirus-app-mandatory/12161126 > > > > Video: Stuart Robert says there's no tracking involved with the app > (ABC News) > > > https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-18/government-stuart-robert-app-covid-corona-australia/12161480 > > > > Prime Minister Scott Morrison has ruled out forcing Australians to > download a coronavirus tracing app, one day after the Deputy Chief Medical > Officer left the door open to making it mandatory. > > > > The Government is developing an app to bolster its ability to trace > the contacts of infected Australians, but has warned it will not be > effective unless at least 40 per cent of Australians download it. > > > > The app would use data from people's phones to allow health > authorities to trace people who had been in close contact with confirmed > COVID-19 cases. > > > > Yesterday, Deputy Chief Medical Officer Paul Kelly said the > Government would "start with voluntary" downloads of the app, before > determining whether more action was needed. > > > > "I've always been a believer in the Australian people making the > right decision," he said. > > > > "As I've said, this is an add-on to what we have in terms of contact > tracing and case finding, so I think we need to make the case for an app. > > > > "I think we start with voluntary, and see how that goes." > > > > But this morning Mr Morrison tweeted that the app would not be made > mandatory. > > > > ... > > > > > > > > What today's CEO or prime minister or other politician promises, > tomorrow he, she, or someone else who replaces him, will break that promise > - it is only a matter of time and "appropriately dramatic" circumstances, > as most of us well know. > > > > Maintain your privacy folks, if you value your rights at all... > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 05:11:26PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > > This is important, folks - the below outlines the front line of human > tracking or "the mark of the beast", as well as some antidotes to that. > > > > > > In this case, "The Ministry of Truth" attempts to achieve sufficient > tacit consent for ubiquitous monitoring via "smart"phones. > > > > > > This is a highly slippery slope, and potentially catastrophic for our > individual and collective freedoms, so let's get a handle on this one... > > > > > > Be warned: :: ----- crunch time is close - do everything you can to > educate people, because if insufficient people are educated on this issue, > the tracking that is coming ("mark of the beast") will be extraordinarily > difficult to undo. > > > > > > > > > Coronavirus Australia live news: Government urges Australians to use > tracing app despite privacy fears > > > By Dan Colasimone > > > Updated April 17, 2020 15:43:40 > > > > https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-17/coronavirus-australia-live-updates-covid19-latest-news/12155268 > > > > > > Deputy Chief Medical Officer Paul Kelly has not ruled out making a > coronavirus tracing app compulsory if not enough people install it > voluntarily. > > > > > > "We start with voluntary and then we see how it goes," Professor > Kelly told an afternoon press conference. > > > > > > http://livenews.abc.net.au/Event/Coronavirus_Australia_live_news : > > > Some more details on the government's coronavirus-tracking app > > > > > > The app uses Bluetooth technology to track coronavirus victims and > the people they come in contact with. > > > > https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-14/coronavirus-app-government-wants-australians-to-download/12148210 > > > .. The Federal Government believes restrictions on the > community could be eased in the months ahead if there's more testing, > greater surveillance of those infected by the coronavirus and much faster > tracing of those they've had contact with. > > > > > > The government’s given us some more detail, confirming data > collected from the app would be uploaded to a server in the event someone > tests positive to COVID-19. > > > > > > This is significant, because some experts argue if the data is > stored on a server it would attract privacy threats from hackers, and would > also act as a disincentive for people to sign-up to the app. > > > > https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-15/challenge-to-convince-australians-to-use-coronavirus-tracing-app/12151130 > > > > > > The government believes it needs at least 40 per cent of > Australians to opt-in in order for the app to be effective. > > > > > > The minister responsible, Stuart Robert, has told Channel 7 the > information gathered will be transferred to a database, if the person who > tests positive to COVID-19 agrees. > > > > > > "If you tested positive, the authorities would ask you to consent > and that will be uploaded to a secure server," he said. > > > > > > "That's it, no one is tracking you, there is no surveillance." > > > > > > > > > > > > In the above article, these words: > > > > > > > The government believes it needs at least 40 per cent of > Australians to opt-in in order for the app to be effective. > > > > > > > > > -really- mean "we need about 40% of Australians to opt in to voluntary > fascist tracking, in order to establish "legal persuasion" (sufficient > numbers of people, required to compel the courts to make orders against the > interests of the remainder of the people) and also political influence > ("40% of people agree with this already, we HAVE to enforce this upon > everyone, to SAVE LIVES - so please, THINK OF THE CHILDREN!"). > > > > > > This is the heart of why the above propaganda is so insidious - it is > an attempt to covertly introduce and impose a fascist human tracking > regime, "by the consent of the governed" - and to do this, all they need is > about 40% of the entire population to opt in. > > > > > > Very fine Ministry propaganda, and opt-in fascism at its finest... > Whoever wrote up the above ABC article gets a Fascism 'Badge Of Covert > Fascism' badge award for "covert fascism". > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------- > > > Antidotes, when in times of viral or similar medical pandemic crisis: > > > > > > - We each have the fundamental human right to isolate or quarantine > ourselves and our family, in order to protect ourselves and others. > > > > > > - We do have a duty of care to one another, and we have the right to > satisfy this duty of care by isolating, if we contract a virus, in order to > not spread the disease to other humans. > > > > > > - We have the fundamental human right to make informed decisions in > regards to our health, excepting that if we have a known contageous > condition, that we satisfy our duty of care to other humans in our > community, for example by quarantining or isolating ourselves. > > > > > > - If we become infected, or if we are at risk of becoming infeced, > we have the right to make our own informed decisions about each and every > medical procedure (such as vaccination, intravenous vitamin C, etc) that we > choose to receive, or choose to not receive. > > > > > > - Parents have the fundamental right to make informed decisions in > relation to their children, which right overrides (i.e. which is superior > to) the state's authority to impose any medical treatment, so long as the > parent satisfies their duty of care to other people within our community. > > > > > > - Fundamentally, we each have the right to educate ourselves, to read > and otherwise to learn about the pros and cons of any and every medical > treatment which is suggested, recommended or otherwise "ordered" by the > state, and we have the right to choose to receive, and the right to choose > to not receive, such medical treatment. > > > >
