On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 12:36:08AM -0300, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 wrote: > On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 12:50:00 +1000 > Zenaan Harkness <[email protected]> wrote: > > > You can't debate the principles of faith with logic - well of course you > > can, but after a very short while it becomes utterly pointless > > the jesus literary character never existed. That's a matter of history, > not faith.
That's a nominally a fair point, but I'll raise you one Jesus scroll :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jesus_Scroll The Jesus Scroll is a best-selling book[1] first published in 1972 and written by Australian author Donovan Joyce. A forerunner to some of the ideas later investigated in The Da Vinci Code,[2][3] Joyce's book made the claim that Jesus of Nazareth may have actually died aged 80 at Masada[4] near the Dead Sea, site of the last stand made by Jewish zealot rebels against the Roman Empire, after the Fall of Jerusalem and the destruction of the Second Temple. Joyce, an Australian journalist, claimed to have seen a scroll stolen from the Masada excavations. He wrote that it was one of fifteen scrolls discovered during the dig there. His book states that the stolen autobiographical scroll was signed Yeshua ben Ya’akob ben Gennesareth, who described himself as eighty years old and added that he was the last of the rightful kings of Israel. The name when translated into English became Jesus of Gennesareth, son of Jacob.[5] Joyce identifies the author as Jesus of Nazareth. Joyce's book further suggests that Jesus may have survived the crucifixion, was present during the Roman siege of Masada during the Jewish Revolt of 66-74 AD, and that he had married Mary Magdalene and fathered a child with her. Joyce claimed that he attempted to visit Masada in 1964 during the archaeological excavation but was prevented by Yigael Yadin. Joyce further claimed that an anonymous and corrupt archaeologist, "Dr. Grosset", asked him to help smuggle the 'Jesus Scroll' out of Israel that had been discovered during that dig.[6] Joyce says in his book that the scroll was sneaked aboard an airplane by Dr. Grosset, who then most likely took it to Russia to strike a deal with Soviet leaders.[6] Joyce proposed controversial theories concerning the historicity of Jesus that caused outrage among many Christians, and for which he received numerous death threats.[1] [Just the first chapter has the goods on this one, I hope to scan it in one day.] AND he was written about circa A.D. 161: https://www.mesacc.edu/~thoqh49081/handouts/suetonius.html Suetonius, another Roman historian, lived A.D. 75-160. It has been noted that Suetonius considered Christ (Chrestus) to be a Roman rebel active in the days of Claudius, who reigned A.D. 41-54 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus_on_Christ The Roman historian and senator Tacitus referred to Christ, his execution by Pontius Pilate, and the existence of early Christians in Rome in his final work, Annals (written ca. AD 116), book 15, chapter 44.[1] Notwithstanding, your modern "historical reporting standards will never be properly met, and you get to choose the standard, so for me this is a loosing battle, thus "pointless". > As to the political nature of the totalitarian jew-kristianty > theocracy...well, that's politics, not faith. So 'faith' (whatever you mean > by it) never entered the picture. Faith did enter the picture, the very moment I began to speak in relation to faith ("the Hebrews hung him on a cross to die"). > anyway, look up "banking in babylon" and learn the fact that so called > 'fractional reserve banking' is one of the oldest scams in history Indeed.
