On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Sunder wrote:

> So what?  Communism looks upon other forms of government as flawed,
> dangerous and abusive.

Agreed.

> Democracy looks upon other forms of government as
> flawed, dangerous and abusive.

Actually it doesn't, it says you can do whatever you want until you
interfere with others actions. In other words if you want to start a
commune out in the desert that's fine. If you start trying to encompass
your neighbors you have a problem.

>  Fascisim looks upon other forms of
> government as flawed, dangerous and abusive.  Socialism looks upon other
> forms of government as flawed, dangerous and abusive.  Hell, if they
> DIDN'T, they'd switch their forms of government.

Democarcy isn't interested in switching your views, only limiting your
actions to YOUR PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS.

BIG difference.

> Um, what?  Explain how people are supposed to work openly and equitably in
> a communist society when they're all running around cheating behind each
> others backs?  Ditto for any other form of government.

We're talking about CACL here, not communism. Unless of course you're
willing to accept my comment that any 'real' anarchy will reduce to a
socialism in short order. In which case you have another hole in your
foot.

One of the primary statements of CACL philosophy is that the reason we
have corruption and abuse is because we have government. That if we do
away with government we will do away with such 'competition' for
authority.

This experiment demonstrates that people will screw each other
irrespective of the government involvement. So, if the people are going
to lie, cheat, steal, etc. w/o government of what possible use is CACL
philosophy? It doesn't reduce anything, if anything it increases the
potential for such actions because there is no constraint on individuals
actions. If one neighbor kills another, what are the other neighbors going
to do?

Hatfield and McCoy.

> Since when does one's form of government indicate one's honesty?

Exactly! Therefore CACL philosophy can't work as presented. For any sort
of anarchy to work the vast majority of people have to play by the rules
(ie honor their contract), here is clear evidence of how much a pipe dream
this is.


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