On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 05:41:55PM -0500, Steve Furlong wrote:
> On Thursday 14 November 2002 12:16, Harmon Seaver wrote:
>
> > It's all relative -- what Dubbya and Asscruft have done to destroy
> > freedom in the US is far worse than anything Saddam has done. Iraq
> > had no freedom to lose.
>
> So...When Iraqis are tortured to death, it's not really that bad because
> they're just wogs and don't know any better?
First of all, do we really *know* that Iraqis are being tortured at all,
other than what Dubbya, et al, and the bullshit mass media tell us? Secondly, it
certainly appears that people (non-POWs and other detainees) are being tortured
by our military. We know for a fact that political protesters in this country
are tortured with "pain holds", capsicum applied directly into the eyes, etc. We
know for a fact that prisoners were tortured, and tortured to death, in Vietnam
by US troops. We know for a fact that US allies and puppets have tortured
massive numbers of people, often to death. So what's new?
>
>
> > Dubbya and Asscruft have millions of people in prison for doing
> > nothing wrong, only violating their bullshit rules in the War On Some
> > Drugs.
>
> I agree that the WoSD is bullshit, but get some historical perspective.
> The WoSD has been in place for thirty years (Nixon), or for almost a
> century (eeeevil blacks and hispanics using marijuana to seduce white
> women). Bush43 and Ashcroft have been in office less than two years,
> and neither was alive when _Reefer Madness_ came out..
>
I have a pretty good historical perspective. The WOSD was a mere cat and
mouse game 30 years ago. It was Bush Sr. and Klinton who massively escalated it,
and Dubbya/Asscruft have exponentially escalated it -- arrests of medical
marijuana users in wheelchairs, arrests of doctors for "prescribing too many
pain meds", attempting to outlaw hemp food products, outlawing GHB (sold in
health food stores for over 30 years, it's in every cell of your body, you can't
live without it, and it's now Schedule 1???). The WOSD is dead or dying in
Canada and much of Europe, but the evil twins are going banzai on it.
>
> > They have killed thousands of innocent Afghans
>
> "Thousands of Afghans" has been thoroughly debunked. Only the very
> stupid continue to believe or propagate it.
>
Really? How many Afghans died in the US bombing and invasion. You mean they
were able to overthrow the Taliban without killing anyone?
>
> > Not that Klinton was any better.
>
> Bubba was much worse. He killed people to distract attention from his
> crimes. Bush43 at least has a supportable rationale, whether or not you
> agree with it.
What rationale -- getting the US military back in the heroin trade? Getting
his Enron buddies some new oilfields?
>
>
> Now, I am far from a Bush43 supporter. I have serious concerns about his
> interest in the rights of Americans. But idiots like Harmon Seaver make
> it more difficult to effectively oppose Bush43 and Asscruft (*) because
> their supporters need only point to the idiots to discredit all of the
> opposition.
And Quislings like Steve Furlong prop up evil men like Dubbya/Asscruft by
justification of their crimes. "Supporable rationale" my ass. You have "serious
concerns" -- how pathetic.
--
Harmon Seaver
CyberShamanix
http://www.cybershamanix.com
"War is just a racket ... something that is not what it seems to the
majority of people. Only a small group knows what its about. It is
conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the
masses." --- Major General Smedley Butler, 1933
"Our overriding purpose, from the beginning through to the present
day, has been world domination - that is, to build and maintain the
capacity to coerce everybody else on the planet: nonviolently, if
possible, and violently, if necessary. But the purpose of US foreign
policy of domination is not just to make the rest of the world jump
through hoops; the purpose is to faciliate our exploitation of
resources."
- Ramsey Clark, former US Attorney General
http://www.thesunmagazine.org/bully.html
