You're a fucking racist. If you can't understand why black and latino pride is necessary after centuries of murderous oppression, the pick up a book.
Things may have been more violent in the 70's, but thats great. Some people think that revolutions don't happen by sitting behind a keyboard. MEChA is not a gang, they're an important part of helping lots of young people to be concious of their own heritage. And I respect the people who are willing to dedicate their lives to something with meaning a lot more than making more microchips for the rich. You're right about evolution though, all those women's studies and black studies programs are helping evolution along, so that racists like you can have their eyes opened more often. This is by far the most disgusting thing I've read on this list to date, and is a huge demonstration of your lilliputian mindedness. On Tue, Feb 18, 2003 at 11:03:25AM -0800, Tim May wrote: > On Tuesday, February 18, 2003, at 10:28 AM, Ken Brown wrote: > > >"Kevin S. Van Horn" wrote: > >> > >>Tyler Durden wrote: > >> > >>>Black leadership is one potential issue here, but the other ethnic > >>>groups that do so well in the US have no identifiable leaders here. > >> > >>Which is precisely why those ethnic groups do so well, while U.S. > >>blacks do not. > >> > >>The value of "leaders" is vastly overrated in American society. > > > >Same over here in London. > > > >I'm a white, English, middle-class sort of bloke. > > > >Who are my "community leaders"? > > > > It goes beyond just the "black leaders" thing--it's also about "black > pride." > > My eye-opening experience was my arrival in college (as Brits would > say, "at university") in 1970. UCSB, in beautiful Santa Barbara. There > I found students from diverse backgrounds and cultures, mixing in the > classrooms, the dorms, and the eating halls. Except for the negroes, > who all sat together at one set of tables in whichever eating hall they > were in. There may have been a few "stragglers" scattered amongst the > other tables, but basically it was de facto, self-selected segregation. > > Much was spouted about "black pride," and the negroes took to wearing > huge afros with pimp-combs in their hair. They openly insulted > "whitey." Essentially, they aligned themselves into a gang. > > Many of them switched dorm rooms around, resulting in de facto creation > of segregated dorm halls. White students avoided these ghettoes, for > good reason. (I interviewed in 1971 for a "R.A." (resident assistant) > position, to help with living costs, and my negro interviewer only > asked my questions about what "CORE" was, what "SNCC" was, etc. My > answers were PC enough, and I was turned down. More and more of the > R.A.s were negroes by 1973.) > > Special departments were created to handle the surge in negro students: > Black Studies was the main one, with Sociology expanded to teach > classes about the oppression and the marginalization of the black > race," blah blah. Swahili was the language they took to meet the > minimal foreign language requirements. There were no negroes in my math > or physics classes. > > They were active, however, in student government. One of them, a woman > named Judy McClellan, used to hop up on the conference tables in the > student government meetings and walk up and down, ranting and screaming > at the non-negro, non-Hispanic students. She once, according to > reporters for the student newspaper who were in the meeting, had her > negro aides stand at the doors so she could tell the council that > "nobody is leaving until you pass this" (something about funding for > her programs, etc.). > > The next year the President of the student council, one Robert Norris, > flashed a revolver at white students who were opposing one of his > resolutions. When this was reported in the campus newspaper, bails of > the newspapers were thrown into the lagoon by negroes. > > I wrote all of this up in a letter which I sent in June of 1973 to the > Regents of the University of California. I included descriptions of > many of the atrocities, including the shakedown of funds from white > students to go to bogus inner city youth programs (including purchase > of a $2500 "rare" comic book about negroes, a comic book which nobody > could later produce to investigators). I described the "La Raza Libre" > Hispanic gang on campus, the MeCHA rival gang, the Black Pride > contingent, the Black Students Union, etc. > > The Regents replied that what I had reported was known to them, but > that we live in troubled times, blah blah. I did get a signed letter > back from Governor Reagan's top assistant saying they were adding my > report to the list of reported problems. The campus newspaper ran my > letter in full, and it triggered a minor firestorm. I became sort of > the "right wing mascot" for a few months. I got a few death threats, > too, and met with the Chancellor to discuss the issues I'd raised. He > agreed with all of my points, clucked about the black and Mexican > gangs, but said, echoing the Regents, that we live in troubled times. > > It was clear to me at the time that the focus on "black pride" was > destructive of _real_ pride. Instead of excelling in math or science, > or even law or English or whatever, many of them went into dead-end > fields like Black Studies and Swahili. (My nearby university today is > UCSC, which has similar programs in Women's Studies, Queer Studies, and > History of Consciousness. While a few actual scholars no doubt will > come out of such studies, a lot of the graduates will be waitressing at > local restaurants, their degrees in Women's Studies of no use in > Silicon Valley or anywhere else.) > > I think of it as evolution in action. Of course, sometimes evolution > needs to be helped along a bit. > > -- michael cardenas | lead software engineer, lindows.com hyperpoem.net | GNU/Linux software developer people.debian.org/~mbc | encrypted email preferred "Are you seeking to know what is wrong with the world? All the disasters that have wrecked your world, came from your leaders' attempt to avoid the fact that A is A." - Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature]
