Hello I just got of the phone with my cousin Clary who lives in Surrey England. Clary was born in Vienna, has an Austrian birth certificate and receives a monthly pension from the Austrian Government. Due to Brexit she decided to apply for an Austrian passport. At the Austrian Consulate in London they advised for her to provide several documents, like the birth certificates of her parents also their marriage certificate, where they lived in Vienna and also her fathers work permit. She did provided the some of the documents but not all. Both her parents were born in Czernowitz in the Austrian period, her father served in Austrian military. After WWI, her parents married and moved to Vienna. Clary was born there and when the Anschluss occurred the family run away to England. Nearly 2 years have passed but still no passport.
Arthur Rindner My day job: Volunteer World Organization of Bukovina Jews Sent from my iPad > On Jan 26, 2021, at 3:36 PM, Karin Perrin <ka...@karinp.co.uk> wrote: > > > Hi Gadi > I am sorry to hear this, and having gone through “FAQs” on the Austrian > Embassy website on this matter, I cannot see how they can say this. > Have you read the FAQs? > Thanks for confirming about the former nationalities, yes I agree that this > should not be an issue. > > Karin > > From: Rennert Gad <renn...@technion.ac.il> > Sent: 26 January 2021 13:09 > To: Karin Perrin <ka...@karinp.co.uk>; Alan Gavurin <gavu...@gmail.com> > Cc: Arthur von Czernowitz <vonczernow...@yahoo.com>; > czernowit...@cornell.edu; glasg...@bellsouth.net > Subject: RE: [czernowitz-l] Applying for Romanian Citizenship - Legal Support > > With the new law, now in effect in Austria regarding Jews after WWII, I > applied through the Austrian embassy in Israel and received a response that > they do not think I am eligible. This is not clear to me as my father was > born in Austro-Hungary in 1918 before they became “Romania” and his and my > mother’s birth registration is in written in German (the spoken language at > home which now I understand is more Austrian German than German German). > Needless to mention that both of my parents ended spending long periods in > camps in Transnistria. > > And BTW, they did not have a problem with me having former nationalities > > Gadi > > From: bounce-125333663-73784...@list.cornell.edu > [mailto:bounce-125333663-73784...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Karin Perrin > Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 2:28 PM > To: Alan Gavurin <gavu...@gmail.com> > Cc: Arthur von Czernowitz <vonczernow...@yahoo.com>; > czernowit...@cornell.edu; glasg...@bellsouth.net > Subject: RE: [czernowitz-l] Applying for Romanian Citizenship - Legal Support > > Sounds very encouraging. > Have read the link and might be a possibility. I will get in touch. You have > been most helpful, Alan. > Kind regards > Karin > > From: Alan Gavurin <gavu...@gmail.com> > Sent: 26 January 2021 12:24 > To: Karin Perrin <ka...@karinp.co.uk> > Cc: Arthur von Czernowitz <vonczernow...@yahoo.com>; > czernowit...@cornell.edu; glasg...@bellsouth.net > Subject: Re: [czernowitz-l] Applying for Romanian Citizenship - Legal Support > > Hi Karin > > Happy to have helped to stimulate this point (along with Arthur, Bertie and > others) > > re the dual nationality point see below from the Austrian Embassy in London > website - I think dual nationality is fine if you qualify using this route > (which is another question) > > Alan > > Citizenship for descendants of victims of National Socialism – > Österreichische Botschaft London (bmeia.gv.at) > > According to the new § 58c para. 1a of the Austrian Citizenship Act > descendants of victims of the National Socialist regime can acquire Austrian > citizenship by means of a declaration (“Anzeige”), without having to give up > their current citizenship or nationality in return. > > Please note, however, that the law in some countries provides for the > automatic loss of its citizenship or nationality if you acquire another > citizenship. In case of doubt, please check with the competent authority of > your home country. > > > On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 at 12:18, Karin Perrin <ka...@karinp.co.uk> wrote: > Hi Alan > A conundrum. > You are encouraging me to investigate the route of Austrian citizenship. The > Romanian route is stagnating. Various excuses… > I never thought that joining the Czernowitz group would lead to such > interesting conversations… 😊 > > Karin > > From: Alan Gavurin <gavu...@gmail.com> > Sent: 26 January 2021 11:36 > To: Karin Perrin <ka...@karinp.co.uk> > Cc: Arthur von Czernowitz <vonczernow...@yahoo.com>; > czernowit...@cornell.edu; glasg...@bellsouth.net > Subject: Re: [czernowitz-l] Applying for Romanian Citizenship - Legal Support > > Thank you Karin & Arthur for raising the Austrian Citizenship question > > Firstly, Karin it seems that you must have a chance to apply again to Austria > having already once held citizenship. I think there is a significant element > of restitution and nations trying to confront errors of the past in some of > these recent changes to citizenship rules - also see Portugal and, to a > lesser extent, Spain. > > The issue of dual nationality is clearly important, especially to those of us > in the UK who are looking to re-create our links to Europe after the terrible > disaster of Brexit. I believe Romania does, Poland is not keen but may do so > and Germany has now changed its rules to not allow it with non EU countries > (like the UK post 2020) although if you are applying for German citizenship > because it was lost as a result of Nazi oppression then you CAN apparently > hold dual citizenship. > > I have struggled with understanding the Austrian offer. I will try and look > into it in more detail but it could be interesting. Does it matter that, > after leaving Kolomya & Vijnita, my grandparents went to Germany and never > lived in what is modern-day Austria? > > My grandparents on my mother's side came from Kolomyja and Vijnita (Wiznitz) > - the two towns are 50km apart but when they were born in 1908/1911 one was > in the Austro-Hungarian province of Galicia and one was in the A-H province > of Bukovina. Now both are in Ukraine (via USSR). In between WW1 & WW2 Vijnita > was in Romania. > > So we have been looking at Romanian citizenship (as I said previously) and > also German citizenship as my mother was born there in 1938 but as my > grandparents never became German citizens this is proving difficult. > > So what is it to be? > > <image001.png> > <image002.png> > <image003.png> > Happy to discuss this further with anyone who knows more about the Austrian > option or wants to compare notes > > Alan > > On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 at 11:09, Karin Perrin <ka...@karinp.co.uk> wrote: > Dear all > Just musing on the Austrian passport options…. > > Many many years ago, after living in the UK for many years, I became a UK > citizen. At the time the Austrians (not members of the EU till 1995) asked me > to sign a document giving up my Austrian citizenship “for ever” . (I had had > Austrian citizenship since I was a child – I am not sure on what basis my > father was able to get this after the war when the whole family was stateless > after escaping Romania). The Austrian government, at the time I became a UK > national (1980s), would not accept dual nationality. The UK had no problem > with dual nationalities and I believe still does not. Just mentioning this > in case it affects the route to Austrian citizenship – do they still refuse > dual citizenship even if part of the EU now? On my mother’s side of the > family we are indeed old “Austro Hungarians” so in principle Arthur’s idea > might be a route I also could take, in search of a EU passport. But I > personally might be blocked due to my “unpatriotic actions”! > > Regards to all. > Karin > > > From: bounce-125331222-87608...@list.cornell.edu > <bounce-125331222-87608...@list.cornell.edu> On Behalf Of Arthur von > Czernowitz > Sent: 25 January 2021 13:55 > To: Alan Gavurin <gavu...@gmail.com> > Cc: czernowit...@cornell.edu; Gold-Glasberg, Ruth <glasg...@bellsouth.net> > Subject: Re: [czernowitz-l] Applying for Romanian Citizenship - Legal Support > > Hello Alan > I believe that you and your brother are after an European passport. > I thing that there is another way, you can also try in obtaining an Austrian > passport if you can prove that your grandfather had Austrian citizenship. > > Do you speak Hebrew? If yes I could possibly help you with the Romanian route. > > Arthur > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Jan 25, 2021, at 3:21 AM, Alan Gavurin <gavu...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Friends > > Forgive me if this has been discussed before but my brother and I are > considering applEying for Romanian citizenship because our late grandfather > was born in Wiznitz/Vijnita/Vyzhnytsia in 1911 > > Have any of you gone down this path? I know of at least one other > Czernowitzer who is. > > Can any of you recommend a good Romanian lawyer who could help us. > > I have already approached two Romanian lawyers - one says he does not take > cases where the relatives come from outside current Romanian borders (ie > present day Ukraine) and the other does not speak English so we are really > struggling to understand the technicalities and I don't think Google > Translate is helping very much > > Any recommendations would be gratefully received > > Alan > > > -- > Alan Gavurin > London > UK > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************************* This moderated discussion group is for information exchange on the subject of Czernowitz and Sadagora Jewish History and Genealogy. 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