On Nov 11, 2006, at 5:08 AM, norman wrote:

> However, I make one of my rare interventions as you have branched  
> into a
> subject which is not about dabo expertise. And, IMHO, you have so far
> not answered the questions. This question is about education. This
> question is probably from someone in the actual target audience of  
> dabo
> - someone who just wants to use it, not to learn it. But he is clearly
> making a big effort to learn.

        I think that the focus of the education in question was general  
Python knowledge, not Dabo in particular.

> So, one must assume from the nature of the
> replies that dabo is still a long way from being a users tool.

        I should clarify: the 'users' of Dabo are programmers and  
developers, not the folks commonly referred to as 'end-users'.

        That said, I agree that the amount of material that a developer  
first coming to Dabo has to help him/her figure out how to use this  
tool is still lacking significantly. The reason is not that Paul and  
I can't write documentation; it's that we are still working on Dabo  
itself. The documentation that is out there, though, has come from  
people who are trying to use it and getting stuck, and then post a  
"How do I do ...?" question here. Some are such obvious questions  
that they demand that they be documented. For example, someone asked  
how do they create a grid and populate it? I answered them here on  
the list, and then added a wiki page (http://dabodev.com/wiki/ 
HowToCreateAFormWithAGridAndPopulateItWithData). This then led to the  
creation of a screencast (http://leafe.com/screencasts/ 
populategrid.html)

        It's hard for me to figure out which parts of Dabo are clear enough,  
and which are confusing, since I have been immersed in it for so  
long. That's why I strongly encourage people here to ask any  
questions that come to mind, instead of trying to always figure it  
out themselves, because if it isn't obvious to you how to do  
something, it probably isn't obvious to others, and that's something  
that should be clarified in the docs.

> You clearly do not have that great enemy of learning, being too
> proud to admit one doesn't know.

        Exactly. Wisdom comes not just from knowledge, but from knowing  
where your knowledge falls short.

-- Ed Leafe
-- http://leafe.com
-- http://dabodev.com



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