Thanks for your suggestions johnf.

First option did not raise any errors but did not function as expected ie if I 
cleared the field and then saved the record no error messgae came up, and if I 
went to another record and then returned the cleared value was still in place 
ie the clearing had no effect. I wonder if that is because a NOT NULL was 
entered in the database definition for this field - I'll try again with a 
requirement for the length of the field to be greater than 4 and see if all 
works OK then.
The second option caused a compile error when I ran the form.
   Thanks again for your suggestions
            Rodgy

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