In my head I equate using computer and network operations (CNO) inside an organization to enable information operations (IO) to getting exploitation primitives and enabling a "Weird Machine <http://www.slideshare.net/scovetta/fundamentals-of-exploitationrevisited>". IO has a long history, but it's a completely different thing once CNE gets involved. You get a feedback loop. It's like having a debugger, versus blindly fuzzing, imho.
-dave On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 1:51 PM Paul Erling <[email protected]> wrote: > I could agree that the damage cyberwar does is mostly to ideology, but > then what is the difference between cyberwar and propaganda or even > marketing? Isn't it just the fact that you have retrieved some difficult > to obtain evidence? Does that make the propaganda/marketing more > believable and so effective? > > - Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of > [email protected] > Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 11:00 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Dailydave Digest, Vol 56, Issue 10 > > Send Dailydave mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.immunityinc.com/mailman/listinfo/dailydave > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of Dailydave digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. SAINTCON Security Conference (Troy Jessup) > 2. Re: "Nitro Zeus" whatever whatever. (Ejovi Nuwere) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 22:53:52 +0000 > From: Troy Jessup <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" > <[email protected]> > Subject: [Dailydave] SAINTCON Security Conference > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > SAINTCON 2016 > > SAINTCON is the Intermountain-West premiere Cybersecurity conference held > in Provo, Utah. This conference is dedicated to all things security and > focuses on security discussions and trainings. If you live or work in the > west, this is your security con! > > https://www.saintcon.org > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: signature.asc > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 204 bytes > Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail > URL: < > https://lists.immunityinc.com/pipermail/dailydave/attachments/20160728/515c5aa1/attachment-0001.sig > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 09:53:53 -0400 > From: Ejovi Nuwere <[email protected]> > To: dave aitel <[email protected]> > Cc: "[email protected]" > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Dailydave] "Nitro Zeus" whatever whatever. > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > This article in the New Yorker seems to align well with your explanation > of cyberwar as a systemic disruption of ideology. > > > http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-real-paranoia-inducing-purpose-of-russian-hacks > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 28, 2016, at 6:36 PM, dave aitel <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > <nitrozeus.PNG> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiV6am2lNTQ. You'll notice in this > Usenix talk from 2012 I inadvertently blow Nitro Zeus, which came out in > that ZeroDays movie recently. I honestly don't write my talks all by > myself, but you'll notice "we" call out Wikileaks as being a cyber weapon > as opposed to everyone else's seeming fascination with HackingTeam or > whatever the boogieman of the day is. > > > > People and bonobo monkeys are fascinated by sex - and it's easy to get > wrapped around the sex aspects of Wikileaks, but it's hard to ignore that > what he wrote in his manifesto was a very advanced conceptual understanding > about cyber war, which he then continues to execute to this day. Did or did > not the head of the DNC have to resign this week, in part due to his > actions, even if all he provided was cover and a defined modus operandi? > Anyways, unlike a lot of people, I actually read his manifesto and one > thing I learned was that cyberwar attacks ideology best. This is a key > feature of how the whole domain works. > > <ideology.PNG> > > The DNC is an ideology. It's something you can believe in, or not. But > so is ISIS? So is Immunity? > > -dave > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Dailydave mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.immunityinc.com/mailman/listinfo/dailydave > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://lists.immunityinc.com/pipermail/dailydave/attachments/20160729/31d3704d/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Dailydave mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.immunityinc.com/mailman/listinfo/dailydave > > > End of Dailydave Digest, Vol 56, Issue 10 > ***************************************** > _______________________________________________ > Dailydave mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.immunityinc.com/mailman/listinfo/dailydave >
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