Hi Graham,
sorry, but this is - for technical reasons - not correct - besides that
darktable is very capable in both tasks already: managing images as well
as editing.
But: for technical reasons with non-destructive imaging you never see
what you get in any other application than the one you are editing the
images.
I already mentioned this paper
<https://web.archive.org/web/20140912051214/http://www.adobe.com/digitalimag/pdfs/non_destructive_imaging.pdf>
for more background.
That's why I - and obviously many others, including the devs who
thankfully spend many efforts in also making the image management more
powerful with each release - see darktable as a program for both tasks.
And hey ... I like to see e. g. the final crop, the correct exposure,
the removed spots and all those things done on the edited image in the
image overview (call it lighttable or browser or whatever else) when I
have to select one of those images from my archive for a given purpose ...
Any other app will always show either the embedded camera jpg (like e.
g. geeqie) or some raw calculation of the original RAW ... not what I want.
--
regards
Bernhard
https://www.bilddateien.de
Graham White schrieb am 07.10.21 um 16:10:
Hi. I think there may be some cultural background that you're not aware of,
which is this. Linux (and Unix before that)
was developed on the philosophy of "one task one program" (see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy ), according to
which programs were designed to do one thing and to do it well:
coordination between tasks was handled by
interaction between programs. This is the way that your operating system
works (it's not just Linux: any modern operating
system works that way), and the benefits of it are that it avoids
reinventing the wheel, that it improves performance (because single-task
programs tend to be smaller and faster than big bloated ones, and so on).
Now with photo editing, there are two tasks. One of them is maintaining a
catalogue of images: I use Shotwell for that. Shotwell's quite
old, but it's reliable and fast. When I want to edit a photo, I get
Shotwell to open it in Darktable. Darktable only does one thing, which
is to edit images: it's not an image catalogue. And (being an old and
wizened Linux user) I think things should remain that way.
Graham
On Wed, Oct 6, 2021 at 8:40 PM Lorenzo Fontanella <
fontanellalore...@gmail.com> wrote:
Good evening Pascal
I speak about my needs of course, but I know many photographers who think
the same and are in the same situation.
I have a RAW + JPEG archive of about 500 000 files (video excluded),
consisting of files from various Nikon, Fujifilm Sigma (*) cameras.
In my current state, it is impossible to import the whole archive, I tried
several times but even excluding the various errors in the import phase, I
ended up with an incredibly slow software that did not allow me to navigate
easily in the imported database and even to develop quickly, it had slowed
down a lot.
Now I use it by making partial imports of only the folders that interest
me, but even then, it is not easy.
Other software like RawTherapee or Capture one that integrates a mix
between catalog and sessions (browser), allow me to be much more "agile" in
the process of selection, search and pre-assessment of the image, because
I'm not forced every time to import the entire folder to view and perform a
pre-development on the file to decide which to use.
Legitimate question........
Why don't you use this software since you speak so highly of it?
Because even though DarkTable is conceived from a programming point of
view and not from a photographic point of view (I'm talking about the
ordering of the modules), even though it only works with a catalog and
forces me to import what I want to work on, even though the learning curve
is not linear........ IT'S BADLY POWERFUL, and it does a flawless job where
other emblazoned software fails miserably.
(*) You claim that it is designed to develop RAW files, I assure you that
I have used it to work on Foveon files developed on Sigma Photo Pro and
exported to jpeg or even on files saved (by mistake) in jpeg from Sigma
cameras and I assure you that it has done a wonderful job.
In short, it works and hell it works fantastically.
I understand that there is never enough time to spend on development and
you have to streamline.
But I urge you not to dismiss the option just because you don't see it as
useful, I assure you it would make a difference in terms of adoption of the
software by a great many users who now find it inconvenient due to the
import factor.
I would also be willing to the slower generation of the previews, remember
that I use Sigma Photo Pro, the slowness has never been a problem, if it
serves to obtain a superlative result.
Greetings
Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)
Lorenzo Fontanella
http://www.lorenzofontanella.it/
Il giorno mer 6 ott 2021 alle ore 19:38 Pascal Obry <pas...@obry.net> ha
scritto:
Hi Lorenzo,
I'm obviously talking about the lack of a browser integrated to the
software that allows you to simply browse the folders of the HDD and
open the images you want to edit.
The misunderstanding is probably there. darktable is not an image
browser, it is not even designed to handle images but RAWs which are
not images. So I don't see this as a good idea as generating previews
for the RAWs will be slow, very slow.
This is so by design, if you are looking for an image browser then for
sure you don't want to look at darktable.
Cheers,
--
Pascal Obry / Magny Les Hameaux (78)
The best way to travel is by means of imagination
http://www.obry.net
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