This is absolutely no joke, let alone a bad one!

You can continue to use DM happily with sinatra or ramaze, I do so
too, well, not with ramaze, but with sinatra and merb. If you read the
original message carefully you will note that we have taken measures
that will make sure that DM continues to work just fine with extlib.

Also, I don't get it why some people seem to constantly be "afraid of
rails" and think that it tries to take over the world. DM doesn't
depend on rails because that would absolutely not make any sense! At
the moment it doesn't even depend on active_support (note that these 2
are *not* the same thing anyway). Also, DM definitely will not
*depend* on active_support as long as that's still in beta, and it
will definitely not *depend* on active_support as long as merb still
depends on extlib. Granted, there are still some issues with
active_support-3.0.0.beta1 (like it currently depends on some gems it
probably shouldn't, but really this is only a superficial problem and
will be solved eventually. If you don't require code that makes use of
these gems, they will never get loaded)

Sorry, but for sinatra and ramaze I don't see any point why this
internal change even affects you in any way. Both these gems don't
have an extlib dependency, so what's your problem? Wanna keep on using
extlib, fine, do so! Be prepared that it will stop working at some
point in the (not so near) future, maybe then it's time (for you) to
write some code that will hold on to the extlib compatibility some
longer, maybe even share it then.

I don't want to repeat the part with the motivation why we changed to
prefer active_support, and I don't want to sound rude. But if you have
any *real arguments* against actives_support, please let them be
known. Tying DM to rails just isn't happening, and so imho your rant
just has too less substance to discuss it much further.

cheers
snusnu

On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 13:41, trans <[email protected]> wrote:
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>
> On Mar 23, 10:56 pm, Martin Gamsjaeger <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> This also means that from now on, DM will prefer active_support and we
>> plan to make more use of active_support features where that makes
>> sense.
>
> This is bad joke right?
>
> I use DataMapper with Sinatra and Ramaze (or on it's own). Why are you
> tying it to Rails?
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