Hello, I was just giong to mention those last two - there's a very similar error in dbmail when it forwards messages, it sets the envelope sender to itsself. Refer to the message trail in http://mailman.fastxs.net/pipermail/dbmail/2003-June/003030.html
It will of course break a good number of installations to simply drop dbmail forwarding entirely. If intending to drop it, it'd be nice to fix the broken behavior now, then really frown upon offsite-forwarding in the documentation and give everyone a little time to migrate. Jn ---- Original Message ---- From: Ilja Booij <dbmail-dev@dbmail.org> To: dbmail-dev@dbmail.org Subject: Re: [Dbmail-dev] bounces Sent: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 14:24:17 +0100 > Hi, > > Seems like a good idea to me. Let the MTA do what the MTA does best, and > let DBMail store the emails. Along the same lines: Can't we use the MTA > sending forwards and domain forwards in the same manner? > > Ilja > > > Aaron Stone wrote: > > > Based on my reading, I think that DBMail should not generate bounces at all. > > Rather, appropriate temporary-failure and permanent-failure return codes > > should come from dbmail-smtp and DSN codes from dbmail-lmtpd, along with > > additional descriptive text in both cases, and the MTA will do the rest. > > > > If this is the case, I can remove the bounce call from pipe.c right now; I'm > > working on refining the delivery chain to produce appropriate error codes for > > various failure conditions. Making sure to emit bounce codes for situations > > which would have called the bounce() function won't be too hard. > > > > Aaron > > > > > > Ilja Booij <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > > > >>dbmail currently uses the Return-Path header. If it cannot find such a > >>header, it uses the From header. > >> > >>What would you suggest we do: search for the Sender and/or Errors-To > >>header and use that as a return address? Does this always work? > >> > >>thanks, > >>Ilja > >> > >>Christian G. Warden wrote: > >> > >> > >>>I'm pretty sure this has been discussed before, but dbmail doesn't > >>>seem to generate bounces correctly. I don't generate bounces within > >>>dbmail so I've never noticed this. > >>> > >>>Here is a bounce I got from a dbmail user in response to a message sent > >>>to the dbmail list. > >>>It does a few things wrong. The envelope sender is not <> as it should > >>>be, and the message is sent to the address in the From header rather > >>>than the envelope sender. > >>>How does dbmail determine the sender of a message that a bounce must be > >>>sent to? It doesn't look like the MTA of the user in question adds a > >>>header with the envelope sender, but Errors-To and Sender would be > >>>better choices than From. > >>> > >>>xn > >>> > >>>----- Forwarded message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] ----- > >>> > >>>Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 23:32:23 +0200 (EET) > >>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>Subject: DBMAIL: delivery failure > >>> > >>>This is the DBMAIL-SMTP program. > >>> > >>>I'm sorry to inform you that your message, addressed to naso, > >>>could not be delivered due to the following error. > >>> > >>>*** Mailbox of user naso is FULL *** > >>> > >>>If you think this message is incorrect please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> > >>>Header of your message follows... > >>> > >>> > >>>--- header of your message --- > >>>Received: from twister.fastxs.net (unknown [213.214.98.20]) > >>> by mail.netel.bg (Postfix) with ESMTP > >>> id C69575C004FF; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 23:32:16 +0200 (EET) > >>>Received: from twister.fastxs.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) > >>> by twister.fastxs.net (Postfix) with ESMTP > >>> id 2E7E37BE71; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 22:32:02 +0100 (CET) > >>>Received: from cayenne.xerus.org (adsl-66-51-218-170.dslextreme.com > > > > [66.51.218.170]) > > > >>> by twister.fastxs.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C58A87B46F > >>> for <dbmail@dbmail.org>; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 22:30:59 +0100 (CET) > >>>Received: from safron ([192.168.1.5] helo=safron.xerus.org) > >>> by cayenne.xerus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30 #1 (Debian)) > >>> id 1Ao886-0007C2-3t > >>> for <dbmail@dbmail.org>; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 13:30:46 -0800 > >>>Received: from cwarden by safron.xerus.org with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) > >>> id 1Ao88J-00071c-00 > >>> for <dbmail@dbmail.org>; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 13:30:59 -0800 > >>>From: "Christian G. Warden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>To: dbmail@dbmail.org > >>>Subject: Re: [Dbmail] dbmail-smtp and imap folders > >>>Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >>>Mime-Version: 1.0 > >>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >>>Content-Disposition: inline > >>>In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i > >>>Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>X-BeenThere: dbmail@dbmail.org > >>>X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 > >>>Precedence: bulk > >>>Reply-To: dbmail@dbmail.org > >>>List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>List-Post: <mailto:dbmail@dbmail.org> > >>>List-Subscribe: <https://mailman.fastxs.nl/mailman/listinfo/dbmail>, > >>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>List-Id: <dbmail.dbmail.org> > >>>List-Unsubscribe: <https://mailman.fastxs.nl/mailman/listinfo/dbmail>, > >>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>List-Archive: <https://mailman.fastxs.nl/pipermail/dbmail/> > >>>Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 13:30:59 -0800 > >>> > >>>--- end of header --- > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>----- End forwarded message ----- > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>Dbmail-dev mailing list > >>>Dbmail-dev@dbmail.org > >>>http://twister.fastxs.net/mailman/listinfo/dbmail-dev > >> > >>-- > >>IC&S > >>Stadhouderslaan 57 > >>3583 JD Utrecht > >> > >>PGP-key: > >>http://www.ic-s.nl/keys/ilja.txt > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Dbmail-dev mailing list > >>Dbmail-dev@dbmail.org > >>http://twister.fastxs.net/mailman/listinfo/dbmail-dev > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > IC&S > Stadhouderslaan 57 > 3583 JD Utrecht > > PGP-key: > http://www.ic-s.nl/keys/ilja.txt > > _______________________________________________ > Dbmail-dev mailing list > Dbmail-dev@dbmail.org > http://twister.fastxs.net/mailman/listinfo/dbmail-dev > -- End Original Message -- -- Jesse Norell [EMAIL PROTECTED] is not my email address; change "administrator" to my first name. --
