Paul, I agree, the error message could be better and differentiate between "Resource does not exist' and "Resouse has no RDF content".
This doesn't changed the fact that you will not be able to browse Wikidata as it does not seem to serve RDF. What do you propose? I don't want to get distracted by details from the main question: is this interface good enough to replace the current one? If not, why not? Martynas On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 7:25 PM, Paul Houle <[email protected]> wrote: > I am a human being clicking on this and as such I expect something human > readable. If you are going to show me a 404 I am going to interpret that as > "the system is broken" rather than anything else. > > That is one of the reasons why semantic web gets so much scorn and anger > from people who are not "die hard" members of the community or not graduate > students in an academic system where you need to fit into a particular > idiosyncratic culture to survive. You find this attitude all over the > place, even at places like OMG, which does a lot of things that are > complementary (and unfortunately parallel) to the W3C. For instance on this > page you see a link to an OWL ontology > > http://www.omg.org/spec/EDMC-FIBO/FND/1.0/Beta1/ > > if there was an "it just works" culture, you could point Protoge at this > URL and it would load the ontology, but no, people couldn't make up their > collective minds about what <import> means, so you need to manually add the > URIs for 10 or so imports in order to do this. > > If the C language or any of the thousands of other languages that have > something like <import> in them had unclear semantics about how to find the > files you are importing, we would not be programming in C today, we just > wouldn't. OWL has enough problems without stupid little things like this. > > (To be fair, just try loading the XMI files with the version of Eclipse > that is recommended by the OMG and it is also not a "it just works" > process.) > > There is another respected vendor in the semweb space that has an excellent > triple store that has a "biomedical browser" that gives no results on > searches like "omeprazole" or "aspirin" or "cocaine". People don't get > excited about it, it is just another semweb demo that doesn't work. > > The difference between the semweb community and most of the others (say the > people who post to "Show HN") is in most communities you click on a link and > get a "404" it is perceived to be the responsibility of the person who is > showing, and not a matter of blaming the end user or the upstream supply > chain or anything else.) > > > On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Martynas Jusevičius <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> Hey Paul, >> >> thanks for your feedback. I'm replying to the list as this is relevant. >> >> I do not claim this is the final layout, by no means. It's just our >> take on a generic Linked Data browser, and it is not tailored for >> DBPedia in any way. But it could be -- we could fork a >> DBPedia-specific version, because all of the layout code is standard >> XSLT 2.0. >> >> As for Wikidata, it does not seem to implement content negotiation. >> "Accept" header is ignored: >> >> curl -i -H "Accept: application/rdf+xml" >> http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q80 >> curl -i -H "Accept: text/turtle" http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q80 >> >> Both versions return HTML content, therefore you get 404. Graphity >> accepts all RDF formats supported by Jena, so it's unlikely the >> problem is on our side. >> >> >> Martynas >> >> On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 6:33 PM, Paul Houle <[email protected]> wrote: >> > There is a lot of potential though, but I noticed a few things. >> > >> > I clicked on one of the Wikidata Q80 (it's gotta be an honor to have a >> > number that low) and got a 404. Also, the repeated links on the side >> > do >> > not look so good, there ought to be some way to distinguish where these >> > go >> > to. >> > >> > On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 11:46 AM, Martynas Jusevičius >> > <[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Hey all, >> >> >> >> as some of you might know, our company has been developing Graphity - >> >> an open-source Linked Data client, which provides browser >> >> functionality and more. >> >> >> >> Here's an instance of it running on Linked Data Hub, rendering DBPedia >> >> resource of Tim Berners-Lee: >> >> >> >> >> >> http://linkeddatahub.com/?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fdbpedia.org%2Fresource%2FTim_Berners-Lee >> >> >> >> You can compare it with the current interface: >> >> http://dbpedia.org/page/Tim_Berners-Lee >> >> >> >> I think it is safe to say that user-friendliness is on another level. >> >> Also check out the SPARQL endpoint which contains an interactive query >> >> editor. >> >> >> >> I would like the DBPedia community to consider making Graphity the >> >> default Linked Data interface. After that, we could take things much >> >> further: enable editing mode, add custom layout modes etc. >> >> >> >> Please let me know what you think. The source code can be found here: >> >> https://github.com/Graphity/linked-data-hub >> >> https://github.com/Graphity/graphity-client >> >> >> >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> >> >> Martynas >> >> graphityhq.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. 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