Hi Anastasia, There will be a webinar about coming VocBench 3 next 5th July, See message below.
Regards, ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Armando Stellato <stell...@uniroma2.it> Date: Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 1:42 PM Subject: [webinar] VocBench 3 To: "public-esw-t...@w3.org" <public-esw-t...@w3.org> Dear all, I will give a short free webinar next 5 July, providing insights on the forthcoming new version of the collaborative platform for thesauri (and now ontologies as well) editing VocBench [1], organized by courtesy of the AIMS team @ FAO In case anyone is interested, pls register here: http://aims.fao.org/activity/blog/book-your-place-free-webinar-vocbench-3-platform Cheers, Armando Stellato [1] http://vocbench.uniroma2.it On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 5:47 PM, Wouter Maroy <maroy.wou...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Sebastian, all, > > Google Spreadsheets comes indeed with a lot of flexibility and optimized > functionalities, but is this approach maintainable? I assume a really good > structure would need to be defined beforehand with all the necessary > checks. > > If this is an accepted approach to work with, then a possible work flow > would be to have two options for instance (WebProtege and Google > Spreadsheets) that both export to the same ontology format that will be > committed with git. These two different approaches would undergo the same > extra validation through continuous integration, independent of how it was > edited. > > Ismael is currently working on a WebProtege integration in the Mapping UI. > An example of the DBpedia Ontology loaded into WebProtege 3.0 can be found > here: > https://webprotege.stanford.edu/#projects/b4b478cf-aed8-4b06-991d-1612afd66fe3/edit/Classes > (You'll need to make an account first for accessing) > > What would be your opinion on this approach? > > Kind regards, > Wouter > > > > On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 1:59 PM Sebastian Hellmann > <hellm...@informatik.uni-leipzig.de> wrote: >> >> Hi Dimitris, all, >> >> there are some slides about this here: >> https://www.slideshare.net/RalphSchaefermeier/d-bpedia-meeting-2015-ralph-schaefermeier-aood >> >> Meanwhile, I was thinking to use Google Spreadsheets as Ontology Editor, >> i.e. have one row for each class and property. There are some plus sides: >> >> Collaborative Editing >> Good overview and fast interface >> Custom functions for validation >> JS extensions possible >> can link fields in tables >> fast editing and tool is known by most of the people >> good filtering >> revisioning, but not so restrictive >> easy to add additional information (make another column or tab) >> chat >> >> I don't see many negative sides that can not be tackled easily: >> >> OWL Export -> I guess we can use one of the thousand available CSV to RDF >> tools >> Visualisation -> e.g. http://visualdataweb.de/webvowl/# >> Axiom diff between versions: not sure about this >> we can still export the ontology and do a git commit with extra validation >> and changelog >> >> Also I created a prototype in 20 minutes: >> >> >> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BYLBVtddrIz5XKKy1HEpPopxEjqd7eVLlLYG7nsYkp8/edit?usp=sharing >> >> Note that for example subclassof Person I linked the field to =A3 for >> Agent >> >> All the best, >> Sebastian >> >> >> On 28.06.2017 11:57, Dimitris Kontokostas wrote: >> >> Hi Everyone, >> >> [some background info] >> Ralf and Alexandru from fu-berlin developed some prototypes some time ago >> for maintaining the DBpedia ontology with git / gitlab. It was accompanied >> with some mapping tools but we decided to move away from the DBpedia >> specific mapping syntax and go for RML at that time. >> We could probably reuse the ontology part solution. >> >> @Ralf, Alexandru, can you share your experience and suggestions here? >> iirc you already evaluated WebProtege and tried to integrate with the >> mappings wiki (WebProtege for ontology / mediawiki for mappings) but it >> didn't work out well (due to media wiki) right? >> >> Cheers, >> Dimitris >> >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 11:19 AM, Anastasia Dimou <natadi...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> Dear Adam, >>> >>> thank you for providing more alternatives for ontology editing! >>> >>> I guess we do not necessarily need to go for a single solution but there >>> should be at least one! :) I mean there might be alternatives and users >>> might choose their preferred. We mainly thought of checking the stability of >>> the tools, how good they handle the DBpedia ontology and how easy it is to >>> maintain them long term. >>> >>> So far, Web Protege seems to be the best solution as Ismael mentioned. We >>> will discuss in more details on Thursday though, but VocBench seems >>> promising too! I'd suggest that you drop an(other) e-mail once VB3 is >>> released to notify us. Then we can further investigate this alternative too. >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> Anastasia >>> >>> >>> >>>> Hi Ismael and Sebastian >>>> >>>> I am not sure if you had a look at Vitro and VocBench. >>>> >>>> " Vitro is a general-purpose web-based ontology and instance editor >>>> with customizable public browsing. Vitro is a Java web application >>>> that runs in a Tomcat servlet container.". This is the link >>>> >>>> http://vitro.mannlib.cornell.edu/ >>>> >>>> "VocBench is a web-based, multilingual, collaborative development >>>> platform for managing OWL ontologies, SKOS(XL) thesauri and generic >>>> RDF datasets. >>>> >>>> VocBench 2, developed in the context of a collaboration between the >>>> Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations (FAO) and the >>>> ART Group of the University of Rome Tor Vergata, offers a web >>>> environment for maintaining thesauri, code lists and authority >>>> resources, providing advanced collaboration features such as history, >>>> validation and a publication workflow, and multi-user management with >>>> role-based access control. >>>> >>>> VocBench 3 (or, simply, VB3), still under development, will offer a >>>> powerful editing environment, with facilities for management of OWL >>>> ontologies and SKOS/SKOS-XL thesauri. It aims to set new standards for >>>> flexibility, openness and expressive power as a free and open source >>>> RDF modelling platform. Its final delivery is planned by the end of >>>> July 2017." . This is the link >>>> >>>> http://vocbench.uniroma2.it/ >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Adam >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 3:49 PM, Sebastian Hellmann >>>> <hellm...@informatik.uni-leipzig.de> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Ismael, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 27.06.2017 14:13, Isma Rodríguez wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Dear Sebastian, >>>>> >>>>> thank you very much. You can find the Github repository on >>>>> https://github.com/dbpedia/mappings-ui >>>>> >>>>> Currently, all the goals of the first deliverable have been reached. >>>>> The >>>>> first deliverable consisted of adapting the Aqua Framework to the part >>>>> of >>>>> the project requirements related to user management, permissions, >>>>> groups, >>>>> and editable help pages. In addition, a continuous integration pipeline >>>>> with >>>>> Travis and Heroku has been created. >>>>> >>>>> Now that I feel more confident with DBpedia and the needed programming >>>>> tools, we are looking into how we can implement the ontology and >>>>> mappings >>>>> edition. >>>>> >>>>> Regarding the ontology edition, we have checked multiple options and >>>>> the >>>>> best one seems to be to connect the new UI with an instance of >>>>> WebProtege, >>>>> as it is a very complete ontology edition tool. One of its features is >>>>> that >>>>> it keeps a change log of the ontology edits and has history >>>>> functionalities. >>>>> >>>>> Of course the idea is that the ontology is moved outside. Although >>>>> WebProtege works with the ontology in an internal database, we were >>>>> thinking >>>>> about automatically pushing the ontology to a Github repository >>>>> whenever a >>>>> change is made. This would enable to do any type of check and >>>>> integration >>>>> system with a hook. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I guess the choice here will be made by the lack of alternatives. I >>>>> think, >>>>> Google's GWT is fine for frontend development, however, the great >>>>> drawback >>>>> is that all the javascript and web service calls are compiled into a >>>>> very >>>>> difficult API, so doing anything except fronted might be difficult, >>>>> e.g. I >>>>> am not sure whether webprotege provides a REST web service for Ontology >>>>> Export. Otherwise you would need to go deep into the MongoDB? in the >>>>> backend. While you can write a webprotege graphical extension, I am not >>>>> sure, you can do SHACL/SPARQL with OWLAPI which is in the webprotege >>>>> backend. >>>>> >>>>> I recently discovered Dart: >>>>> >>>>> https://www.dartlang.org/faq#q-why-isnt-dart-more-like-haskell--smalltalk--python--scala--other-language >>>>> and http://www.dockspawn.com/# >>>>> But of course it is out of scope to start from scratch when developing >>>>> a >>>>> graphical OWL editor. >>>>> >>>>> If necessary, we can of course host an own instance of webprotege on a >>>>> DBepdia server. >>>>> >>>>> I will ask around though for alternatives. There is also >>>>> http://aksw.org/Projects/Xturtle.html which has syntax validation and >>>>> vocab >>>>> autocompletion, if you like editing ontologies as turtle in github. >>>>> Did you look for other OWL editors yet? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> In regards with RDFUnit and SHACL, I will comment it with my mentors on >>>>> our >>>>> Skype call on Thursday. However, if we move the ontology to a Github >>>>> repository, it would be much easier to do any type of checks. >>>>> >>>>> For editing the mappings, we have still to figure out how to do it, we >>>>> were >>>>> considering integrating RML Editor but still requires thinking and >>>>> discussion. >>>>> >>>>> If you have any suggestions or you notice that something would be >>>>> better in >>>>> any other way, please feel free to comment. We are in a very active >>>>> discussion to determine the best way to create the UI, so any idea is >>>>> very >>>>> welcomed. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> More ideas for extensions, e.g. we can also keep mappings to other >>>>> ontologies/datasets later and use RML for RDF2RDF. >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Sebastian >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If you have any question, please ask me or my mentors. >>>>> >>>>> Glad to work with DBpedia. >>>>> >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> Ismael Rodríguez. >>>>> >>>>> On 27 Jun 2017 12:28 pm, "Sebastian Hellmann" >>>>> <hellm...@informatik.uni-leipzig.de> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Ismael, all, >>>>> >>>>> we were brainstorming for a while now and your Google Summer of Code >>>>> project >>>>> looks promising: http://mappings-ui.herokuapp.com/ >>>>> >>>>> Overall, we really need to move away from the mappings wiki. I was >>>>> wondering >>>>> what state your project is in at the moment. Is there a Github >>>>> repository? >>>>> >>>>> Are you planning on integrating RDFUnit (http://rdfunit.aksw.org) into >>>>> the >>>>> UI? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The main reason why I am asking is: >>>>> >>>>> - If we move the ontology out of the Wiki, we can start to use SHACL to >>>>> drive the ontology clean up that is quite necessary. >>>>> >>>>> - If this can be integrated, we would probably try to encode guidelines >>>>> into >>>>> SHACL/RDFUnit and then build a continuous integration system, e.g. as >>>>> Github >>>>> hook. >>>>> >>>>> The main feature that we would need however is a good change log of >>>>> ontology >>>>> edits done, which might be out of scope of your project. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> All the best, >>>>> Sebastian Hellmann >>>>> >>>>> Director of Knowledge Integration and Linked Data Technologies (KILT) >>>>> Competence Center >>>>> at the Institute for Applied Informatics (InfAI) at Leipzig University >>>>> Executive Director of the DBpedia Association >>>>> Projects: http://dbpedia.org, http://nlp2rdf.org, >>>>> http://linguistics.okfn.org, https://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt >>>>> Homepage: http://aksw.org/SebastianHellmann >>>>> Research Group: http://aksw.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> All the best, >>>>> Sebastian Hellmann >>>>> >>>>> Director of Knowledge Integration and Linked Data Technologies (KILT) >>>>> Competence Center >>>>> at the Institute for Applied Informatics (InfAI) at Leipzig University >>>>> Executive Director of the DBpedia Association >>>>> Projects: http://dbpedia.org, http://nlp2rdf.org, >>>>> http://linguistics.okfn.org, https://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt >>>>> Homepage: http://aksw.org/SebastianHellmann >>>>> Research Group: http://aksw.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >>>>> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> DBpedia-discussion mailing list >>>>> DBpedia-discussion@lists.sourceforge.net >>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dbpedia-discussion >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >>> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >>> _______________________________________________ >>> DBpedia-discussion mailing list >>> DBpedia-discussion@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dbpedia-discussion >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Kontokostas Dimitris >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> DBpedia-discussion mailing list >> DBpedia-discussion@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dbpedia-discussion >> >> >> -- >> All the best, >> Sebastian Hellmann >> >> Director of Knowledge Integration and Linked Data Technologies (KILT) >> Competence Center >> at the Institute for Applied Informatics (InfAI) at Leipzig University >> Executive Director of the DBpedia Association >> Projects: http://dbpedia.org, http://nlp2rdf.org, >> http://linguistics.okfn.org, https://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt >> Homepage: http://aksw.org/SebastianHellmann >> Research Group: http://aksw.org > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > _______________________________________________ > DBpedia-discussion mailing list > DBpedia-discussion@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dbpedia-discussion > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot _______________________________________________ DBpedia-discussion mailing list DBpedia-discussion@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dbpedia-discussion
