On 9 October 2014 19:49, Lennart Sorensen <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 09, 2014 at 09:25:23AM -0700, Ray Andrews wrote: > > Can *anything* justify creating a problem that can't be debugged? > > I noticed on a reboot yesterday that there was a 5 minute countdown > shutting down samba by the looks of it. Seems to be bug #762002. I suppose that this invalidates one of the functionality claims that was part of the basis for adoption... Specifically... https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/systemd "Systemd is incredibly fast (1 second to boot). It was not designed with speed in mind, but doing things correctly avoids all the delays currently incurred by the boot process." If there are conditions where it takes 5 minutes, that's a pretty clear indication of falsity... I should think that there may be acceptable counterexamples, but it should be decently documented as to what kinds of cases are expected to fail to be quick. I would think that part of the process of arguing that Debian should "roll back" the SystemD change involves going back to the debate material, and demonstrating that there are claims about the behaviour of SystemD that are materially wrong. -- When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?"
