On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Leonardo Canducci <[email protected]> wrote: > 2013/5/6 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <[email protected]>: > >> kernel upgradeability on ARM devices is *never* easy :) at least on >> A10 devices it's not like you're spoiled for documentation and howtos. >> start from http://linux-sunxi.org and >> http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000 and see >> how you get on. > > That's bad news... so there is not one single board supported by > debian?
sorry... you've confused me here. if debian only worked on one board, we would all be in trouble! oh i get it: you want a single board that happens to have upstream linux kernel support, such that debian is then in a position to support _that_, and you can just do "apt-get install linux-image-N.N.N-xyz"? if you want that, you're limited to about.... 5 devices in total. 2 known ones, for sure. i'm not going to mention what one of them is [someone else can do it] because they have a person working for them who caused some serious problems. basically it's far too early days and, due to the very diversity issues being discussed in another thread, the workload for getting linux kernels upstream and then back downstream into debian is really very high. you _could_ cut yourself off from the available hardware by making a decision to only use "supported" hardware, but you'd be one of the very very few people in the world who does so. i.e. right now, pretty much everyone does custom kernel builds, and that really is the end of the matter. > What about OMAP kernels in the armhf port? Are there other > specific repositories with kernel updates? don't know. OMAP processors are too expensive, and TI won't properly answer my enquiries for access to their SoCs in mass-volume. that and the fact that they've slapped BXPA Weapons-Grade "Munitions" classifications on the fucking things makes it kiiinda challenging to get them into mass volume products. so i've been forced to rule them out until TI see sense, and you'll have to ask someone else. >> > SATA is interesting in a NAS perspective. Also worth considering that > BBB has half the RAM and NAND. yyep. at the same price, too. > Well, I meant mostly community support... I was focused on the > specific card - instead of the SOC itself - and I guessed that > Beaglebone had a much larger userbase. I know A10 has been around for > a long time and many gadgets are base around that SOC. So Cubieboard > is better even in that regard? IRC on freenode: #linux-sunxi : 73 people #arm-netbook: 121. #beaglebone: 15. #beagleboard: 13 on the other hand, this looks quite active: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!categories/beagleboard/beaglebone-black but then again so does this: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!categories/cubieboard/debian you choose. >> >> why don't you test that out by asking on each respective community? >> see how easy it is, how responsive they both are. > > I'll do >> >>> Which one wolud you recommend? Are there alternatives to consider? >> >> couple more on top of brian's list: odroid-u2, odroid-x2 (both are >> easy enough to convert to debian using a chroot bootstrap, see >> http://lkcl.net/reports/odroid-u2.html) - you can ignore the stuff >> about MALI. > > These are mid-range products (at least twice the price) with > desktop-like performance. Probably overkill for my purpose. :) >> >> it would help you enormously to put out a hardware spec. say, a >> minimum amount of RAM, minimum number of interfaces etc. > > I don't know exactly but I guess I need: > - ethernet > - 512MB ram or more > - up-to-date CPU then you probably do mean a 1ghz CPU. don't knock the marvell products, btw! marvell's architecture benefits from intel having designed it, basically what they did was put an ARM instruction set round a superscalar harvard architecture of their *own* making, no wonder they wouldn't give ARM back the hard macros as they agreed to, because they didn't _actually_ make any modifications to the crap that ARM gave them - they did a total reimplementation, and as such were the first people in the world to have superscalar (out-of-order) execution of ARM instructions. hilarious, and very embarrassing for both ARM and Intel. ARM because they got trounced for very good reasons [ARM have never actually designed a decent ARM chip in their lives, they always bought in the improvements], and Intel because they had a really rather good *non-x86* chip on their hands that was out-performing every single x86 offering that they had, in the power-price-performance metrics. hur hur :) anyway, sorry. yes. 1.2ghz kirkwoods are pretty damn good, basically. but again if you're ruling out the $85 odroid-u2 i think sheevaplug / guruplug / dreamplug is out of the kind of price bracket you're considering. ... have you considered an MK802 (or any of its variants) and running USB ethernet peripherals off of a powered USB hub? don't know if you can do that - it *should* be possible... hmmm.... l. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [email protected] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [email protected] Archive: http://lists.debian.org/capweedwdc1ztpowqoihnj8sjoyk2xvx3e9udkwdbaoh3mwj...@mail.gmail.com
