On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 06:11:22PM +0100, Steven Chamberlain wrote: > On 11/09/14 16:36, Adam Borowski wrote: > >> What happens otherwise if trying to start GNOME3 (or others)? > >> * without 3D, with llvmpipe > >> * without both > > > > llvmpipe doesn't work at all -- not ported to -- on !x86 !armhf. > > > >> Does it fall back gracefully to a fallback/flashback mode, and does that > >> still work these days? > > > > All you get is a non-windowed screen that says: > > Oh no! Something has gone wrong. > > Fair enough if a Debian desktop doesn't want to support "toy > architectures" (I don't mind use of this term).
So you call all but two[1] of Debian architectures (14+9) "toys"[2]? Where has the "universal operating system" gone? > Ultimately I think we'll be saying "the default Debian _system_ is an > amd64 machine, with modern Intel, Nvidia (or Radeon + nonfree microcode) > graphics, running the GNOME 3 desktop", and fair enough, the Debian > homepage could serve a direct link to a GNOME amd64/i386 ISO download. > That install media should default to installing GNOME. XFCE has none of Gnome3's problems, and were it not a last-minute entry, I'd suggest going with Mate. Mate has the upside of having been the default for every but one releases that had tasksel. > Is that what we're *really* deciding with the process here? > https://wiki.debian.org/DebianDesktop/Requalification/Jessie I'd say that being available on most architectures warrants at least a row in that table. It's more important than, say, 2 points you get for a tasksel metapackage that _hasn't even worked until now_ -- the only desktop task that was even shown in d-i was task-desktop. No wonders the Mate team didn't even request one: users had the mate-desktop-environment metapackage which was for all purposes better. Until this qualification, which suddenly decided to give 2 points for this detail. So what I'm suggesting is to add the "availability" or "portability" row to the table. [1]. armhf machines typically rely on their GPUs to have any reasonable graphics performance, trying to emulate opengl in software isn't going to work. [2]. Ok, I admit hurd is a toy, so are some of -ports. -- // If you believe in so-called "intellectual property", please immediately // cease using counterfeit alphabets. Instead, contact the nearest temple // of Amon, whose priests will provide you with scribal services for all // your writing needs, for Reasonable and Non-Discriminatory prices. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140911182608.gb1...@angband.pl